shUdra-jAti-bhAgavata - lokAchArya, manavALa-mAmuni, vedAnta-deshika, Bharathan/ azhagiyavaradar: TW
विस्तारः (द्रष्टुं नोद्यम्)
00:00 - mangalam 00:40 - Intro, context 02:27 - Bharathan/ azhagiyavaradar, a vAnamAmalai shiShya?! 03:30 - vyAsa’s mahAbhArata - kRShNa as dUta in udyoga-parva, refuses duryodhana, bhIShma, droNa food, takes vidura food. 04:45 - shAstri-vAvilla recension verses - duryodhana’s objection 08:30 - kRShNa’s response - commitment to dharma, no Apat - won’t accept food from haters. 11:45 - vidura’s reaction. 12:50 - lokAchArya 13:20 - shrI-vachana-bhUShaNa “sUtras” regarding bhAgavata shUdra-s 17:30 - manavALa mAmuni’s (=saumya-jAmAtR) commentary on eating at vidura’s house 21:30 - bhakti-bhAva overrides varNAshrama dharma? 22:50 - rAma eats from shabarI’s hand? 23:45 - manavALa mAmuni’s commentary - saliva-soiled fruits fed by shabarI’s hand to a happy rAma?! 25:20 - Contradiction with “great knowlege” of shabarI, acquired from serving sages. 26:00 - English translation, tamiL original. 28:15 - bhagavAn pleased if bhakti-bhAva overrides varNAshrama dharma per manavALa mAmuni. 28:44 - Follow your AchArya-s, if non-hypocrites. Offer saliva-soiled food, hire shUdra-bhAgavata-cooks in temples. 29:50 - Accept venkaTanAtha’s correction. 30:42 - vedantAchArya’s correction - vidura followed jAti-dharma. 31:40 - vidura-episode faithfully recollected, modulo objection, eating sequence. 35:30 - vidura’s shUdra jAti and varNa not denied by kRShNa. 36:10 - Apastamba allowed Arya-s accepting cooked food from a dhArmika shUdra 38:00 - Contrast among lokAchArya, manavALa mAmuni and vedAnta deshika 40:10 - Bharathan/ azhagiyavaradar’s accusation of fraud 41:10 - bhArata-sAvitrI is NOT the source - mahAbhArata is. 42:00 - bhArata-sAvitrI is a condensation 43:00 - Misrepresentation of vedAnta-deshika - v4 bhAgavata-s to be respected by v1-s within dharmashAstra bounds. 44:00 - bhagavAn is not a self-contradicting drunk. 44:30 - abhinavagupta & incest - don’t be like that. 45:45 - na shUdrA bhagavad-bhaktAH - also from mahAbhArata (Ashvamedhika parva). 46:30 - qualities of mind vs body. Not in context of kRShNa’s response to duryodhana. Similarly vidura following varNa-dharma in marriage. 48:00 - bhArata-sAvitri vs mahAbhArata - should’ve occured to him 48:45 - sanskrit error - अधिक्रम्य vs अतिक्रम्य 49:15 - False claim of “immediate” response. 50:20 - duryodhana did not “rebuke” vidura. Calling a v4 a v4 is not one. 51:30 - No contest to vidura’s varNa 52:00 - “Regressive” ideas of vedAntAchArya. Justify your AchAryas’ practices. 52:30 - sanskrit error - mRdu-prajnA 53:30 - bhArata-sAvitrI sourcing claim. 55:15 - good weak person in sumo example - both physical & mental qualities matter. 56:20 - Missourcing 57:00 - Who goes to hell? Respecting bhAgavata chaNDAla-s. 59:00 - Challenges welcome. We’ll show how VD corrects your (AchAryas’) errors. VD is your AchArya - accept corrections. Open to accepting our AchArya’s errors if proven. 1:00:10 - Suggested to tenkalais - vAdikesarI ALagiya manavALa jIyar - a positive example. 1:01:10 - Ok to accept errors like manavALa mAmuni contradicting own AchArya parAshara-bhaTTa, sadanuShThAna-darpaNa’s fake shata-patha brAhmaNa quote. 1:02:50 - pramANa hierarchy. 1:04:00 - aitihya lowness. rAmAnuja’s mantra-rahasya broadcast myth. 1:04:50 - shabari saliva feeding - no valid pramANa. bhuShuNDi-rAmAyaNa a kAvya. rAmeshvara-linga-pUjA by rAma. 1:05:40 - To Tenkalai brothers - understand pramANas, shAstra-s well. Give up excess abhimAna, durAgraha.
mAmuni on shabari
we understand that the Sanskrit Translation is probably your own, - @ramanujam_iyengar
You misunderstand. Here is the source of the translation - it’s by tenkalais only -
इदं च पण्डितैः संस्कृत्य संशोध्य श्रीराजगोपालमठाधीश्वरैः श्रीमन्महन्तश्रीगदाधर-रामानुज-स्वामिभिः
श्रीवैष्णव-सम्प्रदाय-नित्य-श्रीमहोत्सवार्थं श्रीराजगोपालमठे स्थापिते स्वकीये श्रीरघुनन्दनमुद्रणालये
श्रीनिवासाचार्यद्वारा मुद्रयित्वा प्रकाशितम् ।
पुरी ।
सन् १९२६
half-baked understanding of Mamunigal’s and Swami Pillai Lokacharyar’s Paksham - @ramanujam_iyengar
No - I confirmed my understanding with an impeccable, well known tenkalai authority, recommended to me by a tenkalai who similarly challenged my understanding.
Thennāchāryans are quite clear that shabari never tasted the fruit that Rāma ate. - @mohansagar6601
Please see tennAchArya-s quoted in the video, and the comments above.
Besides that, one can refer to the famous AchArya jaggu vakula-bhUShaNa (वकुळभूषणं जग्गु आळ्वारय्यङ्गार्य) of yadugiri, who says -
श्रीरामचन्द्रनु शबरियु कच्चि इट्टिद्द हण्णुगळन्ने प्रीतियिन्द तिन्दनु. अद्दरिन्द ज्ञानक्के प्राधान्यवु.
That said, yes, there are tennAchArya-s who (dishonestly, but with good intentions) try to make mAmuni non-shAstra-virodhI. Good luck to them.
Mamunigal’s and Swami Pillai Lokacharyar’s Paksham which is Bhagavad Ramanujacharya’s Paksham - @ramanujam_iyengar
Not at all.
vyakti-dUshNa?
engaging in Vyakti Dushanam - @ramanujam_iyengar
This is false. I strongly focused on the topics under discussion.
Language knowledge
It’s obvious you know neither Sanskrit nor Tamizh well enough to speak about these works. - @mohansagar6601
You can add kannaDa, hindI and english to the fantasy mix as well :-), since the cited acclaimed authors clearly disagree with your interpretation.
shUdra’s dharma-knowledge
Sir, do you realize your reasoning contradicts the Apasudradhikarana? Emperumanar says “इतिहासपुराणे अपि वेदोपबृंहणं कुर्वती एवोपायभावमनुभवत:; न स्वातन्त्र्येण | शूद्रस्येतिहासपुराणश्रवणानुज्ञानं पापक्षयादिफलार्थम्, नोपासनार्थम् |” …. Thus, a Shudra cannot “know” Dharma through Itihasa-Puranas. - @ramanujam_iyengar
No - there is no contradiction. Your quote does not contradict at all. As such you reveal your ignorance of sanskrit, and shAstra here. It’s pathetic. As a wellwishing fellow vaiShNava, I urge you to learn sanskrit and undergo SB kAlakShepa.