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Rajarshi Nandy Sir, welcome back to TRS -for what I would like… -Thank you. To believe is a sequel episode 3:01 of the extremely powerful episode that we created the last time. It was electric. 3:07 That’s how I’ll describe the last one. How do you look back upon that one? Oh, it was wonderful. Wonderful. 3:15 This is a recurring theme on the show you know that, honestly, the show gets some amount of criticism for that. 3:21 We talk about ghosts, higher beings, divine beings, aliens, angels. 3:27 But my take on that is human culture is about 3-lakh years old, possibly older than that. 3:34 Things like these have been spoken about for millennia. We’re just trying to revisit 3:40 those conversations. This is not to prove to people -that ghost exists. -You are right. Or don’t exist. But where do you actually begin 3:47 this conversation from a tantric perspective? Let’s just try getting a deeper understanding of it. 3:52 -So where would you like to begin, sir? -Right. So, the first– The way I look at it 3:58 and the way traditional tantra shastra and tantra upasana looks at it is that just like… 4:04 There are millions of people, I don’t know, 6-7 billion people in the world right now. 4:09 So, this is the physical plane we are existing in. This is the earth, is the physical plane. 4:15 Beyond that, there are stacked layers and layers of reality. There are subtle planes going up to the realm of the Gods. 4:20 And then beyond, the devatas, etc. All the realms are there. So, in those realms, also, 4:26 there are many types of beings. And because there are innumerable beings, 4:32 just like innumerable human beings, some of them are very high-caliber spiritual beings. Some of them are average beings. 4:38 Some of them may be not spiritual at all. Some of them may be of the kinds who are to us they appear negative 4:45 in their behavior, in their mannerisms, etc. So, it is a fact. 4:51 There’s no question about– If you ask me that, do they exist? It’s like asking me, does gravity exist? It exists. 4:57 What you do with it, that knowledge or not. The other thing is that I believe that denial is also not a good idea. 5:03 That okay. I don’t believe in it. No. In fact, I remember once during a conversation with a friend, 5:09 I was telling that it’s far easier to experience one of these entities than to experience a deity. 5:14 And again, you’ll have to do a recap on what deity means. So, deity is basically a divine being, 5:21 a God whom we worship as one of the great gods in Hinduism, who is capable of acting as a personal– 5:28 As a figure of personal reverence for a upasaka, as well as each of these gods 5:33 are capable of manifesting the full domain of– full range of spiritual abilities 5:40 what is there, till the highest. They can become transcendental. They can also come down into the form of a murti, 5:45 and we worship them. It’s their benevolence towards the human race, towards us, our culture, 5:50 and the whole of Dharma is basically how do we interact with these gods. Okay, so that’s what. 5:57 Hinduism describes the being, as having three parts. A sthula sharira. -A sukshma sharira and a– -Karan sharira. 6:03 Karan sharira. So that’s basically your physical body. Your astral body. -And your causal body. -Yes. 6:09 What we know of each other and of regular life is that we see 6:16 each other’s physical bodies. I would like you to explain, according to Tantra, 6:21 what an astral body and a causal body is, because it’s a great entry point into this world of higher beings. 6:27 Right so… So, we exist in the physical body, 6:33 but our astral bodies are also active at any given point. Active means, it’s still– 6:39 We are functioning both through the astral body as well as the physical body. Like in the movie Doctor Strange, 6:44 they show him getting out of his body. That would be a version of astral body. So, getting out is one– 6:50 When you are taking the astral body out of your physical. But I am saying that even now, at this very moment 6:55 when you are interacting with the world, your astral body is also interacting. Why? That’s because very simply, to understand, 7:02 the physical body governs your physical existence. So astral body contains… 7:09 To bring it down to the basic ideas. So, your emotional life, what you are, you’re emotionally, 7:16 you feel happy, you feel sad, somebody you like, you dislike all that processing is done in your astral body. 7:21 Your physical body does not do that. I also once read that the astral body is responsible for illness as well. 7:28 If something’s going wrong in the astral body, then it manifests as illness in the physical body. Yes. And so illness can manifest 7:35 In physical also and astral also. -But yes. -Okay. Astral also. Definitely. So very often, in fact, illnesses… 7:42 There is some manifestation in the astral. First it’ll come and then it’ll come to the physical. I think, can you dive a little bit deeper 7:47 into the word astral in the first place, sir? Yeah. So astral loosely, what the astral, 7:54 I think the West understands by the term astral is something more than the physical plane, 8:00 something above the physical plane, something more subtle than the physical. The only difference between that world and this world 8:06 is we use the Sanskrit term sukshma. Sukshma means subtle. It’s more subtle. Ours is gross. We have a physical body there. 8:12 So, in the astral world, you do not have this physical body, but you have an image of the physical body. 8:18 Like, the image would look -just like our face. -Almost same. And the tendencies that you have, 8:23 you like something, maybe you like this kind of food, this kind of clothes, this kind of conversations, this people, etc. The likes, dislikes. 8:30 All that’s also very much there in the astral. What is the difference? The difference is, there’s no physical presence. 8:37 There’s no sthula sharira. Sthula means physical. Gross body is not there. Your gross body, arms and legs are not there. 8:43 -Okay. -Okay? So that allows you certain things. If you are able to control the astral body, 8:49 you can move around in that. You can see beings in that. But yeah, all types of entities are there. 8:54 Good, bad, everything is there. And it’s large part of the various, what we call, 8:59 in all religions for that matter, beings whether they are a slightly higher beings, 9:04 or slightly lower beings, etc. It’s all things that are there in the astral plane. I think in Islam there’s Jinns. 9:10 -Yeah. -And in Christianity, there are aspects of Satan, like demons, 9:15 Yeah, demons and all things like that. Those are there. 9:21 So, the astral is also a wide term for– There are subtle layers inside the astral also. It’s not about one uniform thing. 9:28 Because obviously, a slightly higher kind of entity. For example, 9:33 let’s come to our terms that we use in our scriptures. So, say a being which is like a Gandharva. 9:39 Gandharva is one of those beings who remain in those astral, higher astral realms, 9:45 who are excellent repositories of knowledge, Any topic. And they’re very good singers also. 9:51 Okay, tremendous. Then there is something known as Kinnars Kinnars are fascinating dancers. They’re the best of the dancers. 9:57 And once in a while, in fact, one of those beings, when they incarnate on earth, they’ll end up being absolutely stunningly powerful 10:04 in that domain. -They’ll be– -We’ll come back to this. Because these are other topics, sir. -Yeah. -I still just want to dive 10:10 a little bit deeper -into this constitution of the body. -So, this constitution of the body, so basically there is this sthula sharira, 10:16 which is this, integrated with it. For most people, it’s integrated is your emotional body. 10:21 Look at it that way. Emotional body is your portal to the astral world. Whatever emotions you feel, good, bad, etc. 10:27 How you develop that, a lot of upasana, sadhana, when you’re doing worship of a deity, you’re trying to develop 10:33 the emotional body. So that it becomes more steady. It has the capacity to take the energy of the deity. 10:39 So this is what the astral realm is and it contains, astral realm contains in the outside world 10:47 higher beings and lower beings also what we call bhoota, pret and pisach, things like that. Negative entities and all that. 10:53 They also inhabit the astral worlds. These things. In a way, if I kind of dumb things down 11:01 into a statement, the whole idea of heaven and hell, naraka and swarga that we have 11:06 is all in the astral domain. Everything. The higher realms of astral or lower realms of astral. And it’s just like the world. 11:12 There are, as I said, 7 billion, 6 billion people are there. So, innumerable entities. They are of all kinds. 11:18 Some benevolent, some malevolent. Some indifferent to you. Just like that, it’s just like the world. And you follow the same cautions, 11:24 if you go out on the road, you follow the cautions of, when you meet an ordinary person or an average outsider. Same cautions you will have to follow 11:30 perhaps more than that if you were to traverse into these zones. Like possibly going out at night -is more dangerous– -Yeah, yeah. 11:36 -Than going out in the day. -Yeah. Those times. So, there are certain zones you would be careful of entering. And secondly, there are many things 11:45 involved actually on this, but this is a domain you will have to pass through. You cannot bypass the astral, by the way. 11:52 So, when you’re trying to make a spiritual progress, what you’re doing is, your own energy, innate energy. 11:57 We have a term for it. We call it Chit Shakti. It’s a technical term that’s used, Chit Shakti, 12:03 which is the flip side of what is more popularly known as Kundalini. 12:09 So basically, when your Kundalini is awakened through some practice, it is trying to pass through the realms. 12:15 It’s basically passing from the material realm, Which is the gross world, into the astral realms, 12:20 one after the other, one after the other. It’s going to cross. You’ll have to explain what Kundalini is. So Kundalini is basically a hidden divine, 12:27 very simply put, a divine energy that is there to a degree in every individual who is born. 12:33 But for 99.99% of people, it remains in a sleeping state as long as it is sleeping, 12:39 you are functioning as a well-integrated individual. So, how do we define an integrated individual? 12:45 So, you have friends, family, etc. You are speaking, you are rational, everybody likes you, all that. That is a well-integrated individual. 12:51 The spiritual practice, whatever practice you do, whether you do yoga, kriya, hatha yoga, this, that, or even tantrik upasana of devatas, 12:59 it’s trying to awaken this force, but not consciously. And there is a catch. And this is a very complicated topic, actually. 13:06 Once this awakens, it will start making a journey within you. That power will start awakening 13:13 and rising within you through the deepest channel. There’s a subtle channel. 13:18 It’s not a physical channel, mind you. It’s a subtle channel. It’s a part of your astral body. Exactly. It’s called the Sushumna Nadi. 13:24 It will pass, nadi means a channel. It will pass through that. And as it goes, it will pass through various realms, one after the other, one after the other, it will pass. 13:31 Which are all within you as we speak. But also, outside. See, this is important to understand. 13:36 Not everything– Inside and out– It’s like just like a computer has ports, so just like that, 13:42 your body has each of these so called chakras, which do not have any physical presence, by the way. So, these are confluence 13:48 of various multiple nadis at specific points in the body. And they are points 13:54 through which you can access various realms. Now, as shakti arises inside you, 14:02 it opens up this. Opens up this. Opens up this. Once it opens up, you are able to communicate 14:08 or whatever, integrate with that. But there is a– And that is where this becomes risky, because as I say, the astral world is all types of things. 14:14 So there, once it opens up, opens up is good, but what do you do after that? And that is where you will need 14:19 solid guidance, because otherwise, there are more people who fall down with these kind of experiences 14:25 than people who integrate them properly in their life. And after this little bit of the Kundalini movement when it starts, 14:32 your normal life is going for a toss, first of all. Your perspective of everything is going to change. That’s like, you can’t deny, 14:38 Means, you would not be able to deny the reality. You are in the same room with the same set of friends. But what you are seeing, 14:43 what you are experiencing, what you are hearing, your panch indriya, five sense organs, they have– 14:51 The inputs that they get are slightly different from the inputs that other people are getting at the same space because of this. 14:58 And I’m just dumbing it down very much to explain it to you, because there are many complication in this, 15:03 but more or less, as you go higher, as this Kundalini awakens, your access to the astral planes 15:09 become stronger. Okay, this is a great point you’ve mentioned, sir. 15:14 Basically, it’s like a brain has filters, which filters out a lot of stuff, because if we were able to see that stuff, 15:20 -Yeah, yeah. –we would have lost our minds. -Absolutely. -And it’s around us -now as we speak -Yes, yes, yes. But your gross body 15:26 consciously blocks it out because maybe your soul is not ready -to experience those experiences. -Right, right. Now if you also begin 15:31 to spiritually advance and you chase this process of making your Kundalini rise, those filters get removed 15:37 -from your brain. -Yes. Then you’re able to start seeing things. But you need to be mentally, spiritually ready 15:43 to be able to see those things -and experience those things. -Right, right. Otherwise, you will lose your mind. So here just small interjection, 15:50 because lot of viewers will be seeing this. So the conscious aim is not, 15:55 in my opinion, the conscious aim should not be to, I have to awaken the Kundalini, because that is disastrous. 16:00 It’s a power you cannot describe it. It only, once it hits somebody, you’ll realize it. It’s tremendously powerful. 16:08 -It’s like an atom bomb inside your body. -Sort of. And it moves at the speed of your thought. This is faster than the speed of light, 16:13 if you ask me. Speed of thought is faster than your speed of light. Speed of light is the physical phenomena and the physics all that is there. 16:20 In thought, right at this moment, you can reach the sun, whereas light takes 8 minutes -to reach from sun to the Earth -Oh! 16:26 Moves at the speed of your thought. And the other thing is yeah, 16:31 so conscious aim is not to awaken the Kundalini. Conscious aim has to be to reach the higher realms of divinity, 16:37 where you come to the Devata, who is all powerful, who knows, who’s the Ishwara. 16:42 You mean connecting with God. Yes. Connecting with God. But I prefer to use the term Devata. Only reason is, because in our culture, 16:50 we look at it that way. So, I may be connecting to Shiva, you may be connecting to Krishna. Somebody, all of them are gods, 16:56 by the way. When we use the term only God, there is one singular. No, each of these are equally gods. 17:02 There’s no difference about any of them. Only the path may be slightly different. So, Shiva, you have to offer the Belpatra 17:08 and to Krishna, you offer the Tulsi leaf. That’s about it. But Kundalini is like a power 17:16 that accelerates your path and safely handling for individual is impossible. 17:22 You’ll need the grace of a very powerful Guru to handle this. 17:28 Buddha, Mahavira, Guru Nanak Dev ji, Did these people also have a risen Kundalini? 17:34 Because they also human beings to begin with and then they became evolved over the course of their lifetime or they were born as already evolved beings. 17:41 Was their Kundalini also risen according to you? So, two parts in this question, as I see. 17:46 One is that, did they have an awakened Kundalini? Absolutely, it doesn’t matter what you call it. It is going to happen. 17:52 Whatever name you want to put to it. You may also not want to acknowledge it consciously. That is fine. 17:57 Because it’s possible that some of the masters may not want, because if their divine mission was to spread the Dharma to various– 18:06 Say the ordinary people, I want to inspire them to a specific kind of worship. You cannot introduce terms 18:11 like Kundalini so easily there because it’s fraught with danger. So, if I want to tell them that you do this particular text, 18:18 say in the, you know, in Maharashtra, for example, Maharashtra, you have this great Varkari saints. 18:24 Great saints are there. So, they introduced the Gyaneshwari Geeta To ordinary people 18:30 who have with initiation, with devotion, they chant it, etc. So, in that if you were to introduce 18:36 too much of– There is some reference to this in this text. But if you were to introduce too much esoteric processes, 18:41 it’s difficult for people to get it. So, you do something, you say that okay, let’s not think about Kundalini. Let’s think about the Devata, 18:48 let’s think about devotion to the deity. Let’s think about how do I get closer to the deity. 18:53 -Bhakti. -Bhakti. Through it, kundalini will awaken also. It will happen in the background process. 18:58 Bhakti is blind faith -towards the almighty. -You don’t have, yes. And you don’t have to, and purification of bhakti is important. 19:05 Initial stages bhakti will not be perfect. So, you do processes. That is where the sadhana comes in. So that your Bhakti becomes 19:12 more purer and purer. And as Bhakti becomes purer, that will trigger these things. 19:17 So, in one set question, if you ask that did these people have Kundalini experiences? All of them. 19:22 Tantra says that there’s nobody, no spiritual progress is possible without a Kundalini experience. Whether you call it that 19:28 or any other name you call it, it’s going to happen. But a Kundalini is also, there are many nuances in this. 19:34 In kundalini awakening. And the other part of the question that you had, were they evolved? 19:40 So, there is some fitness of things, by the way, that is there. For very high grade of spiritual evolution 19:46 if a person has to have, then he or she must have had gone through lifetimes of tremendous preparation, 19:51 practice, something like that. So those signs will already be manifesting from a young age. 19:57 Let’s put it this way. It takes lifetimes of effort so, for somebody who’s very perceptive, 20:04 if they see a child like that or something like that, they will figure out that this is… In fact, Baudhas, Vajrayana Buddhists 20:11 have this system where the lamas, when they reach a very high state so that they can continue their upasana, 20:18 they ensure a specific kind of rebirth. They have the capability of doing that. And before death, 20:24 they’ll mention clues, that I may be born here and this and that signs will be there. 20:29 And then there are occult processes, occult means, through oracular processes and other things, 20:35 they find out that who is this incarnated lama. What was he doing in his past life? And then from a very young age, 20:41 they will take him into the monastery and start training him back into the practices which he was doing. So that it kind of saves time. 20:48 And they’re very good at this. They have been doing this for centuries, etc. So, in a way, yes, 20:53 some fitness is there. It may not be that you are born with a Kundalini awakened. Some fitness is there. You still have to go through the process. 21:00 You have to do, nothing is going– no one is going to serve you a full plate of food and just eat. No. So, you have to still struggle. 21:06 That’s specifically for those great saints who come for, what in Sanskrit, 21:12 we call as lok kalyan, which is helping the masses. So they have to show that how they have had to struggle for this. 21:19 It’s not that I was born with it. Then people will say, you’re born with it. What will I, I am not born with it. Why should I do it? 21:25 It won’t happen for me. But they say, no. It has happened through practice, through the process, 21:31 through following this path. So, if it has happened for one, it may happen for you also. So, you do that. 21:36 Let’s also talk about the downside to having a Kundalini that rises too early before you’re ready for it. 21:42 I’ve heard all sorts of stories, But what’s the spiritual truth about this? Do you actually lose your mind? 21:48 Can you get some sort of a brain stroke? I’ve read things like this. Yes and it can be very, very dangerous. 21:55 In fact, there is a term that is used sometimes to refer to this. It’s like the lightning creeper. 22:00 Vidyutlata, it’s like a lightning. As fast as it rises, it can make you fall that fast 22:05 into a condition worse than that when you started. If it happens unrestricted, 22:11 unrestricted means out of the blue it happens, sometimes, once in a while there may be cases. Somebody has had an accident or something 22:18 and suddenly it gets triggered. Obviously, if a triggering happens through an accident, 22:24 that means that some lifetime, they must have practiced it without practice it’s not going to happen. An accident means what? I’ve seen cases like this, 22:31 just like that an accident. See what is a Kundalini 22:36 you have to understand a little bit more, which is basically it remains for average human being, it’s sleeping. 22:41 It’s completely sleeping. But suddenly when it awakens, it requires a triggering state. 22:48 It’s not going to happen if a comfortable lifestyle is going on. That trigger may be through stress, 22:57 through pain, through something like that, through intense spiritual practices. Or if you are Arjuna in the battlefield, 23:04 suddenly the realization comes to you that you are going to kill your relatives. You can’t do that. So, you’re running away. That’s a stressful condition of the mind. 23:11 So you have to get out of the normal zone. Normal comfort zone has to be lost. 23:17 So sometimes it may happen in the case of just a sudden accident or something has happened and in that state, it got triggered 23:25 automatically once in a while. I’m not saying it’s very common, but happens. So, there it will be very difficult to integrate 23:31 Because you don’t know what to do with it afterwards. It’s very difficult. It’s like suddenly portals may open up 23:37 and suddenly you may start seeing things, etc. Most people will put you straight into a mental asylum. Doctors will put you into medicines. 23:43 You will not know what to do. And on top of that, if your belief system does not support this, then you are even more screwed. 23:49 There’s nothing, no help. So, you think there are people currently in mental asylums who have an awakened Kundalini? 23:56 I can’t say. But possibility is there. I mean, I’m not saying that every person who is… 24:02 -In a mental asylum. -Asylum has an awakened Kundalini. But there’s a possibility that if you take 1000 people like that 24:09 from mental asylums who are completely raving mad, it’s possible that a few of them actually, have had a Kundalini disaster. 24:16 And you’re saying once it rises, it stays? No, to make it stay. To make it rise safely, smoothly. 24:21 That’s where all the sadhana processes come in. Okay, so all these people who get it done by accident, 24:27 but they are not spiritually ready, what does the actual reality become? What do they see? You cannot put a single definition to it. 24:33 It depends on the individual. That’s why I said that Kundalini is one term, an umbrella. 24:39 The way it arises in an individual is not going to be the same for everybody. There will be subtle differences. 24:45 For some people it may start, they may start your indriyas, which are the five senses through which you operate in this world 24:51 may suddenly become very sharp, one or two of them. So, you may start hearing things, you may start seeing things, 24:57 you may start smelling things. And that’s very common, by the way. I don’t know if you have, recently, there was a film 25:03 that became very popular in Kannada, which is the Kantara movie I have seen. 25:09 I very much liked it. There were certain scenes they were showing in that film where the protagonist of the movie, 25:16 he hears certain things. And there’s a– The approach of the deity when it comes, he hears certain sound of jewelry, etc, etc. 25:23 So those are all typical signs of when the Kundalini is awakened to the higher planes, etc. So, these are okay experiences. 25:31 In the negative side, it may suddenly open you up to astral planes, where there are all sorts of dangerous entities and you’ll get scared, 25:37 you’ll lose your sleep, you’ll lose your mind. -You’re a Tantra practitioner? -Yes. 25:44 And you just highlighted Kantara. I wanna know this angle, 25:50 that you’re an actual Tantra practitioner, and for those of you who are tuning into this podcast for the first time, 25:55 you need to check out the first episode to understand Rajarshi sir’s experiences. 26:01 What did you like about that movie? I’ve not seen it yet, and I intend on seeing it. But everyone from entrepreneurs 26:07 to mainstream Bollywood, To people like yourself are talking about this movie. Why is that movie special? 26:13 Because something in the last 15-20 minutes of that movie is beyond acting. 26:20 It was like what is called as, is a term we use called avesham, where the deity enters into an individual, 26:25 and that is part of the sadhana. It will happen everywhere. Whatever deity you are worshiping, the higher ranges, the deity will enter. 26:31 And this phenomenon happens across India in Hinduism. And it’s not even a new thing. 26:37 In villages, it happens. You’ll see, whether you go to the foothills of the Himalayas, in Bengal side, we have a term we call Bhorha. 26:44 Bhorha means, deity taking possession of you. So, possession is not– The Abrahamic idea of possession 26:50 is that it’s a negative thing. For us, no. Possession can be a divine thing. In fact, one of the oldest texts 26:56 mentioned that a man gets liberated when Shiva possesses a person. A deity can possess you. 27:01 And as I was saying, your highest state of upasana is when the deity is inside of your body. Then who are you? 27:07 That’s the big question. Are you Ranveer? Are you the God? So, this is a very Hindu concept. 27:13 In this lies so many things, concepts of our upasana. And in that movie, in the last part of it, 27:20 there is the main Devata, whatever is the storyline, etc. 27:26 And he has a Kshetrapala. The Kshetrapala possesses the protagonist and he fights against certain enemies. 27:33 That scene that is there, it was not, it cannot be acted. There is some shift in the energy 27:39 very clearly. And later I read, I was curious that how did he do it? So, I read some interviews and all that. 27:44 He actually stopped eating non-veg food 20 days before that movie. 27:49 And those last few days he survived on coconut water and he had help from people who are more advanced upasakas 27:55 of that path. So, they told him what to do. It’s like he enters into that zone And that energy gets transmitted onto the screen. 28:01 That’s why people, once they see it, after that, when they’re alone, even in front of the group, 28:06 they may say, oh, okay, it’s just a movie. But once they’re alone, it hits you. It hits you that what is it? What did I see? 28:11 It’s the same thing that will happen. If you’re a nonbeliever, you’ll run away from it. You’ll say, oh, it’s just superstition, 28:17 I don’t want to think about it. That’s the way of protecting your mind from reality, of that kind of a liminal reality. 28:23 And if you’re a believer, you’ll just fold your hands and say, what did I see? Okay, without giving any spoilers, 28:28 can you give the plot of the movie a little bit for people who’ve not seen it? We have international listeners as well. So, the plot is very simple. 28:35 It’s a conflict between a village and certain government officials who want to, it stays in a forested area, 28:43 inside, in interior Karnataka. 28:49 And basically, there are two– There’s a king who used to live there 28:54 and the king one day decided that I want to go out in search of peace. So, he goes out and he finds two devatas. 29:00 One is Guliga Deva, who is basically a Kshetrapala, protector of that village. 29:06 And then there is another boar, a deity like a boar. Like we have Varaha Avatar. 29:12 Which is Vishnu’s avatar. Similarly, he’s called Panjurli Daiva. So those are the two local manifestations 29:18 of the devatas. And he tells them that I– He feels very peaceful when he comes in front of them. 29:24 And then there is an oracle. Oracle means somebody in the village who gets possessed by the deities and he speaks for the deities. 29:30 So, he tells him that you can take the two devatas, devatas manifested in a stone 29:35 or just the way we do murti upasana, same way. You can take them. You’ll have tremendous peace. 29:40 But in return you’ll have to ensure that the village is given to the villagers. This land is given to the villagers and they are not disturbed, etc. 29:46 So, he takes it. He says that okay, I promise, make a promise. And then the gods tell him 29:52 that if you break this promise or later generation, anybody breaks this promise, then the Kshetrapala is not going to leave you. 29:58 So, if you make a promise to a deity, it’s a very serious matter. It’s not like human beings. Then eventually the movie goes into that, 30:04 there are later generations of that individual who wants to, he’s dead, then a few generations later, 30:10 they want that forest land back because it’s very high priced, they can sell it and things like that. That lends into a conflict 30:16 with the villagers. How does this conflict gets resolved is the movie. While in the process 30:22 the main protagonist of the movie, he is somebody who belongs to a family of these priests 30:28 who gets the Devata, the avesham of the deity, and he tries to run away from his destiny. He doesn’t want to do that. 30:34 The movie shows that he has no interest in it. Everything else he’s doing in his life. But the moment he’s asked to do that, he says, no, I don’t want to do that. 30:41 But the deities are like this. He has a chosen destiny. The devata keeps manifesting signs to him. 30:47 There are dreams that are happening. He’s hearing voices, etc, etc. Eventually it brings into a culmination 30:52 where he finally gets possessed by the deity. And in that state, it’s beautiful. 30:57 It’s like it’s indescribable how the last few scenes come out in the movie. That’s why I think it’s a wonderful movie. 31:04 And the spiritual concepts shown within the movie -are based on actual Tantra. -Yes, exactly. 31:09 Those are real concepts. He wasn’t making anything up. That is precisely how devata upasana 31:15 happens in Dharma. And by the way, this concept of being possessed is not at all a new thing by a deity. 31:22 It’s there from the Vedic times. It’s there in the Mahabharata. It’s there in various other texts. 31:28 In fact, in the previous podcast, I was just referring to something. When you do an upasana of a Devata, 31:34 You do something known as Nyasa, which is basically, you place 31:39 specific mantras -in different parts of the body. -Yeah. Why? Because you divinize the body. 31:45 What happens if you divinize the body? You will have little bit of avesham of the deity. In fact, as you go to higher– 31:51 What is avesham? Avesham is possession by the deity. Not fully, but little bit. Little bit of possession by the Devata, 31:57 the energy of the deity will enter into you, and that energy will do the upasana through you. Your own effort is not enough 32:04 to reach there. -Upasana is practice. -Practice. Any practice you are doing. So eventually at the higher stages, 32:10 the person realizes that even his efforts are not his efforts. It is he or she whom he is worshiping. 32:16 The Devata, the God. Whoever is. It’s anugraha, blessings of the deity 32:22 who enters into you, his or her shakti enters into you and gets this practice done through you. 32:27 And that happens through a mild amount of avesham mild or more avesham, depends. -That’s the practice. -Okay, okay. 32:37 The director of the movie, Rishab Shetty, has also come to the forefront, and he’s the mind behind this concept of Kantara. 32:43 -Okay. -So, I’m sure he had some idea -about these concepts. -Yes. -And that’s how he manifested it. -Of course. 32:50 But on a more spiritual level, is it the choice of the deities around us 32:55 to have movies like that come to the forefront and concepts like this come to the forefront? Where were podcasts like these 5 years ago? 33:01 I wouldn’t have dared to do it as a content creator, why do I dare to do it now? And we get deeply criticized 33:07 -for doing podcast like this. -Right. So, I can feel Maya pulling me, trying to pull me back 33:13 -and then I can feel Tara Maa… -Yes. Making me meet people like yourself. I firmly believe, 33:19 and it’s, absolutely firmly believe, there is some shift that has happened. Because this kind of a movie 33:25 would be impossible even a few years ago, for various reasons. Not just impossible. I mean, when I think of it, 33:31 whatever news I get is from the newspapers. Obviously, I don’t know any of these people. So, they thought 33:38 it will be some kind of a low budget, just okay-okay film and run in the local people, that all. 33:44 How word of mouth spreads like wildfire, then gets translated into Hindi and throughout In Calcutta, I’m amazed that the show 33:51 has been running for so long. And I see people at one of the shows and after, at the end scene, organically there are people 33:58 who are folding hands and all that. Then they will question you. Rational mind kicks in and oh, what am I doing? Because you are not accustomed to doing this. 34:04 Because the moment you come face to face with a reality like this, I do believe that there is a tremendous shift 34:10 that is perhaps coming in this country. In the world? I don’t know about the world. -Really? -I am focused more on in this land. 34:19 World, maybe, I don’t know. I never traveled outside India. So, I have no idea. But here, yeah. 34:24 Definitely there is some shift that is happening. As if some of the old gods are waking up 34:30 and when they get a thing done, they have one of these things. If a deity blesses a creative endeavor, 34:36 be it a movie, be it anything, it will cause a tremen– This kind of– 34:41 The kind of reaction that you’re seeing to the movie. 34:47 It’s cult following that I’m seeing. Cult following of the movie that is happening. This cannot happen only by, 34:52 you can plan things. You can be the best director and the best actor and whatever, greatest creative genius, 34:58 you cannot plan this reaction. It happens through transmission of the shakti, of the Devata. 35:03 Somehow the other, it got captured in the screen. And whoever saw that movie, it left an impression on their mind 35:10 and it has its own way of working. That’s all we can say. 35:16 Do you think Tara Maa is this podcast? Why not? I mean, as I was saying, just before coming to this podcast, 35:22 I finished sadhana of Maa Tara and it went very well. So, I was very pleasantly surprised 35:29 and very happy to see Vigraha of Maa Tara here. So that’s how, as I said, 35:35 if the deities are happy, they’ll always point you that okay, I’m here. I’m watching you. -It’s like that. -Yeah. 35:40 It happens. I wished there was a way for listeners and viewers to feel the energy in this room right now. Even Sanchit, Manjot are feeling 35:46 whatever you and me are feeling right now. And this is not like a podcast experience 35:52 we’ve had in the past. I feel the podcast itself has hit some new zone, not just through this episode, 35:57 but some of the episodes we’ve recorded lately have just been much more intense. Keeping that in mind, sir 36:04 we spoke about India. -Right. -And then I mentioned the world. We had someone called Ambika Devi on the show. 36:09 -Okay. -She is a Hare Krishna devotee. -She’s from Colombia, originally. -Okay. 36:15 -Her mother was a practicing exorcist. -Okay. And had dealt with Satanism, had dealt with depositions, 36:23 exorcisms, basically. She and her family 36:28 actually had been affected by the things that she was curing the people from. So, say if a demon, 36:34 this is what Ambika Devi relayed on the show. If a demon possessed someone, some negative energy possessed someone, 36:40 her mom would go in, do the exorcism. Then those negative energies would attack the mom -and the family of the exorcist. -Yeah, right. 36:50 Ambika Devi herself, while growing up, she had witnessed a lot of crazy things. She had seen figures in her house, etc, etc. 36:57 On that same podcast, we spoke about another movie called Hereditary. 37:02 -Okay. -It’s on Netflix. It’s a very dark movie. I’ve watched a lot of horror movies in my life. 37:08 Horror movies scare you, but they give you a bit of a thrill. This one stays with me even now, and I’m washing it off till today. 37:15 Just the thoughts of that movie. It didn’t have too many jump scares, only the climax had a few jump scares. 37:20 -Okay. -But just the whole plot. The concept it was based on, was very creepy. And the way you talk about Kantara 37:26 And how it’s coming to the forefront of positive energy, Yeah, that way. Ambika Devi said that the actual stuff, 37:34 according to Catholicism, according to Christianity, the dark aspects of Satan all that, 37:41 was legitimately shown in that movie. -The way we have mantras in our country. -Right. Like our chants, there are Satanic chants. 37:48 And those Satanic chants -were put into that movie. -Okay. And that movie spread like wildfire -in a parallel way. -All right. 37:54 In terms of word of mouth, etc. So, while we have positive energy 37:59 rising in one part of the world, or maybe the world in general, is the negative energy 38:04 also trying to rise and pull it back down? And that’s one part of the question. Secondly, I would like to talk 38:11 about Satan in general. What does our country say about Satan, the devil, all that? Do we have a concept like that? 38:17 Okay, so the first part is that there is always going to be, 38:23 when we are talking about the astral planes, there’s always going to be both the good and the bad. 38:28 Bad means those that cause harm. Now, those that cause harm, there is a very interesting thing 38:34 you have to understand. They cause harm because it is their Dharma to cause harm. 38:39 Their duty. Your duty as a human being is your Dharma. The God and Devatas have their own Dharma. 38:45 They have their own Dharma. It’s like you are asking that why is a tiger biting? Because that’s the natural thing for it to do. 38:50 This is his Dharma. You are judging from your perspective that it’s harmful for you. That’s very good. 38:55 But this whole process assumes that you’re at the center of the universe. Human beings love to think that we are at the center of the universe. 39:02 But these entities for various reasons, they behave in certain ways, there’s no doubt about it. 39:08 And yes, even at a very global scale, I cannot say, because I really don’t know 39:15 if there is an awakening of the negative forces, these entities. But in general, it is believed 39:23 that as Kali Yuga progresses, these things will start manifesting more strongly. There’s no doubt in that sense, one way. 39:30 And the other is that, from a very, let’s come down to an individual scale, So, if you are practicing 39:36 any kind of Devata upasana and your upasana is hitting the right notes, so, you are going closer to the deity. 39:42 As I said, there are realms of devotees. One is the straight, the nursery level. So, no offense to them, it’s all good 39:49 the way they are doing, etc. One is that he’s taken his upasana, the practice to the level where he’s coming close to the deities. 39:55 There are innumerable entities who will straightaway come and start putting problems in your path, and the deities will be aware, 40:02 but he or she will not interfere -Really? -Oh, yes. That’s the test of your commitment. 40:09 How is it the test of your commitment? That’s because you have to pass through them. Test of your commitment means how serious are you? 40:15 Because that realm, if you reach, the realm of a Devata, you are effectively not a human being anymore. 40:20 The energy of the Devata is inside you. What does it mean not to be a human being? 40:26 You are not affected by sorrow, you’re not affected by depression, which is the standard thing for all of us. Today it’s good– 40:32 As they very colloquially said, today it’s summer, tomorrow it’s winter. Those cycles are going on. 40:37 Doesn’t matter how good are you, how try, etc. Whatever you are trying, etc. To transform, go beyond that stage 40:43 where you are unaffected by this, where you are effectively like a deity, 40:49 a God staying among humans. That kind of a level you can reach in upasana. In our path– 40:54 In Dharma that’s very much possible. I’m saying the highest. I’m not saying everybody can reach there, 41:00 But why do you think reaching there will be a smooth flow for everybody. Every bit of it you’ll be tested. 41:06 Every step. And it’s like this 100 meters or maybe, those marathon races are there, 41:12 I don’t know how many kilometers and all that towards the last, say if it’s 100 meters, 90 meters, it’s fine. 41:17 Last 10 meters. Every step you’ll be tested. And the deity will be fully aware that the testing is going on. 41:22 When you say testing, because of these negative entities, on a very practical basis, what happens? They try attacking you? 41:28 They will disturb your practice. First of all. Sexually? A lot of things, anger, lust. These are the two primary things. 41:35 They’ll put anger and lust in your head. So yes, not only that and not just head. 41:41 Bring you into situations where there’ll be an easiest way to lose the energy that you build up 41:49 through your practice is anger and lust. When you say bring you into situations, 41:55 you mean that these entities are also higher beings. So, they are capable of manipulating reality a little bit. 42:02 Everything in the astral plane can manipulate reality. Everything. -The reality that we experience… -Yes. -As human beings. -Absolutely. 42:08 Okay, just again for an example. So, say you’ve been praying, you’ve been meditating, 42:13 you’re growing spiritually, And you go out to meet your friends 42:18 and then the place you’re going out at, there’ll be a sexually attractive person 42:23 who comes to you and really is forward with you. So, you’ll be tempted to sleep with that person. 42:29 That’s a good example of what you’re saying? That’s one example of that you’re saying, 42:34 what I’m trying to say. That’s very much possible. So, if you are, suppose let’s, this example only, let’s build on this example. 42:41 So you are in the middle of a specific what I was saying as an anusthanam. Anusthanam means, 42:46 you have already taken a sankalpa. That okay I am doing this practice for the six months. -Promise. -Promise to the deity. 42:53 And your practice is going really well. So right at that time, this kind of societal environment 42:59 suddenly gets created where you end up meeting somebody and you feel tremendously attracted towards that individual 43:04 and you end up sleeping with that individual and that specific practice, what you’re doing entails 43:10 that you may have to maintain certain degree of celibacy during that period. 43:15 So, the moment you do that, your practice falls. And you will not get the result anymore. 43:21 In fact, you may even fall depending on what practice it is and more details of it. You may even fall lower 43:26 than the condition that you were in initially. -Just by having sex once. -Depends. See, here is the thing. 43:32 If you are married, so it depends, these are, you cannot– What I’m giving is a broad formula. 43:37 It changes based on the Devata you are doing, what practice you are doing. But more or less… 43:45 unrestricted sexual activity is an easy way for downfall in the spiritual path. 43:51 Unless you are very sure what kind of karmas that person has? Who is it that you are sleeping with? 43:56 What is that person’s tendencies inside? Because it’s the easiest way to take the karmas of the other person 44:05 is through unrestricted sexual activity. Number two is anger. Anger is very, very, 44:12 In one shot it throws away things. But here is another catch. Certain Devatas, if you worship, 44:18 deities, gods you worship, there will be an upsurge of anger because it is the nature of the deity. There is a tricky situation. 44:24 You’ll have to control that. There is practice. That is why in the traditional field, traditional approach 44:30 to the tantrik upasana of Devatas there are Parivar Devatas. Family of deities you have to worship. 44:36 So, each one has its own role. If you’re worshiping Shakti upasana tremendously 44:42 and you’re going very deep into Shakti upasana, say you’re worshiping Maa Kali for example, or Maa Tara even, for that matter. 44:48 Our conception of Maa Tara, she is quite fierce. She is very fast and very fierce. It is naturally going to cause 44:55 some amount of increase in aggression. I know just day before I was, 45:01 somebody who does upasana, I know her for quite some time. So, she had mailed me, 45:07 exact thing was this that she has been worshiping one of the Mahavidyas and a very simplistic worship, 45:12 not even the complicated worship, but she does it very diligently and beautifully she does it. But there’s an increase in anger, tremendous 45:19 and a detachment from everything. That’s what the deity is. You are in the same situation, same house, same people, 45:25 but suddenly you are a little bit more, you are there but you’re not there. This part of you comes out of you. 45:30 It looks at your own life and everything And you see that okay, these are my friends, These are my families, these are everybody. 45:36 But this is because nature has created the circumstances. Maybe next life they may not be there or maybe some other equation 45:42 will be there either way. But there is also the increase of anger. That happens. And there it is important 45:48 to calm that down. One of the ways to calm that down. That is why in Shakti upasana, worship of Shiva becomes very important 45:54 to do abhishekam of Shiva, properly done regularly, calms down the mind. Calms down lot of energies. 46:00 He has the ability to digest anything. He is Mahadeva. That is why he is Mahadeva. 46:06 He can digest everything and he can still remain unaffected by it. It’s a lot to absorb. 46:11 But I have so many questions about Satan, especially after watching that movie. 46:17 Just curiosity. Specifically, without giving too many spoilers away about Hereditary, 46:23 it was about one of Satan’s servants. He has I think seven demons 46:30 which are not to be mixed with seven sins, seven servants of his. And the way we pray to deities, 46:35 like how you spoke about Shiva and Shakti right now. You’re supposed to pray to one of the demons -for that demon’s particular abilities. -Okay? 46:42 I’m not even going to take the name of the demon, though it’s in my head. And every time it’s in my head, I wash it off with one of our mantras. 46:49 It starts from P. And it was such a creepy movie. 46:55 You could feel the presence of that particular demon in that movie, in scenes, the way you spoke about Kantara, and you said that maybe that deity 47:01 -possessed the hero. -Right, right, right. Here, you can see even the acting of those actors 47:07 that it’s not them doing it to a certain degree. I was trying to show Sanchit the movie, 47:12 and he just stopped watching in the first ten minutes. He was like, I’m not going to see this. And it’s not even scary, the first ten minutes, 47:17 But you feel the creepy shadowiness of it taking over you. 47:23 Earlier, I used to recommend the movie. I don’t recommend that people watch the movie after speaking to Ambika Devi. What is this whole side of things, sir? 47:31 Does Hinduism have an equivalent of this? And when we say that particular demon, 47:36 -let’s call it P-demon. -Okay. P-demon, it’s not a joke. 47:42 But when you worship these things like P-demon, 47:48 I’ll tell you the Christianity aspect of it. They say that initially it will give you a lot of the things you want, 47:54 your material wishes, but it takes something in return. And if you don’t obey it enough, it comes after you. 48:01 It makes your life hell. It gives you scary experiences, painful experiences. There are also, then, 48:06 lots of conspiracy theories attached to it, saying that a lot of the successful, materially successful people in the West 48:12 have prayed to either one of these demons or Satan. -Again, this is not my input. -Yeah okay. 48:18 Or a reality that I vouch for. These are all conspiracy theories. It’s just things I want to discuss. 48:24 -Okay. -So, what’s your opinion on all this? So, from our perspective. 48:30 I can only speak from what, though I do have some experience with, 48:36 I have had some experience with Western occultists, too, even before I fully entered into Tantra upasana, 48:42 I knew quite a few who were very powerful, but that’s different matter, but– Do they do a Western version of Tantra? 48:48 No, they have their processes. I won’t call it Tantra. Because Tantra is Devata upasana. 48:54 It’s just the colloquial understanding that is mixed up with all sorts of kala jadu and black magic and all. Tantra is Devata upasana. 49:00 Tantra is Shiva Shakti upasana. You pray to God. Yeah, absolutely. That’s what. It’s a method of praying, that’s all. 49:07 And, you know, this is where I feel the West gets it wrong. They look at all these things -as paganism without understanding. -Yeah exactly. 49:12 That there’s a very stark difference here. That’s there plus, they’re looking at it as paganism 49:18 starts at a very ancient time. So that is not going to get rectified. That is there. So, I believe our culture, 49:25 Hinduism for example, is the last of the classical religion surviving everything else has been gone. Taken over by the standard idea 49:33 of anti-pagan or Abrahamic concepts. All the other cultures that were like us, 49:41 they’re all gone. Only Hindus are the last surviving classical religions. So we classical religions 49:46 had a typical format like this, all of them, anyway. So, coming to the Hindu Dharma, 49:53 there are negative entities. There are realms of negative entities. There are Bhootas, which are spirits. 49:58 There are Pretas, which are angry spirits. Then there are Pishachas, 50:04 which are very malevolent kind of entities, very malevolent. If one of them comes, 50:09 God forbid that anybody even comes into contact with any of them, it’s destructive to the power of infinity. 50:17 Then there are Rakshasas, which are, like Ravana was a Rakshas who Lord Rama had defeated. 50:23 Then beyond the Rakshasas, there are also the Asuras. Asuras are extremely powerful, 50:28 extremely powerful negative entities. Highly intelligent. It’s said that Asuras are– 50:36 In fact, Sri Aurobindo has some beautiful writings on these negative realms also. He has written tremendously on all aspects. 50:42 So Asuras are those kind of entities who do tremendous amount of tapasya, by the way. 50:47 Their capacity for spiritual practice is far more than an average human being. So what they end up doing 50:54 is that they will worship one of these great Gods that we have Shiva, Shakti, Brahma, 51:00 Some of the great Gods, except much higher up. So, they worship them, attain boons and blessings and powers. 51:07 And then they use that power to do negative things because they use it in the service of their ego. 51:14 A saint, when he’s worshiping a deity, he loses his ego. His ego is gone. 51:20 He becomes one with the Devata. His devotion becomes that high caliber. 51:25 But here what they do is that they attain those blessings from the Gods and they can because they are capable of tremendous amount of tapasya. 51:31 Tapasya is penance. The penance, the Asuras can do, humans can never think of it. And then after getting that, 51:38 one of the typical things they do is that they try to cause havoc everywhere 51:44 because they want to usurp things, take things for themselves. So, our Shastra has mentioned 51:49 one of the first things Asuras do is that they stop the Yajnas to all the gods once they get the blessing. 51:56 One of the typical blessings they ask for is that nobody can defeat me. No human, no God, nobody can defeat me. 52:02 So, the average gods who are there, The other gods who are there, once the blessing is set into motion, 52:08 they can’t do anything. But inside that blessing there will always be some catch for their fall somewhere. 52:14 But regardless, that catch is not going to manifest immediately. So, for a long period of time 52:20 they are going to reign supreme. That Asura, okay. And he will wreak havoc in the divine realms 52:26 and everywhere and etc, etc. Until finally one of the great gods, be it Shiva or Vishnu or Shakti, 52:31 somebody or the other will decide that enough is enough. Then they will incarnate and they will destroy the Asura. -And this can happen even in 2022. -Oh, yes. 52:38 Only difference is that, what I feel personally is that, the Asuras are too powerful. 52:43 They don’t need to incarnate. During the Mahabharata, there were incarnations of Asuras, by the way, lot of them. In fact, in the Mahabharata, 52:49 there’s a beautiful part before the Yudha actually happens, 52:55 the war actually happens. So, Duryodhana, who is the head of the Kaurava army, 53:01 who is Duryodhana, he’s taken and the demon– The Asuras actually, 53:07 the Rakshasas and the Asuras and the negative beings, they tell him that do not worry about anything. You just enter the battlefield. 53:12 Our forces are going to take possession of the bodies of your warriors and they are going to fight for you. And their powers are much higher, 53:19 than the average human being. So, we are there with you. They are telling him that, just go ahead. Victory is yours. We are fully there. 53:25 And they name even that this Asura is going to enter into the body of this warrior and this warrior and this warrior and this warrior. 53:31 Because other side Lord Krishna is there and the Pandavas are there. They’re also great, fantastic, 53:36 superb warriors. So that was an era still, there were asuric incarnations which used to happen. 53:41 Asuras used to take the physical form. The men of that caliber were entirely different 53:48 than what we have right now. Spiritually, intellectually, in physical prowess, everything. Exceptional caliber people. 53:54 The Asuras had to incarnate to fight them. Today, Asuras don’t incarnate so easily 53:59 because the intellectual, spiritual, moral and physical stamina and strength 54:05 of human beings is far lower. Because of the general environmental corruption and various other things. But are there some human beings 54:13 who attained such a high level of spirituality that Asuras have already gone inside them? Asuras influence people all the time. 54:20 Are they powerful and famous and rich people in the world today who are being influenced by Asuras. Today, I cannot say. 54:26 But there’s a very strong general belief and I also believe that. In fact, Sri Aurobindo had written 54:32 that Hitler was possessed by an Asura. He used to get, in fact, he wrote a lot of things about it. 54:37 I’m just relaying what Sri Aurobindo had written about it. There’s a lot of talk about how serial killers, 54:43 and there’s so many Netflix documentaries -made about serial killers. -Yes. Many of them have said that I was being influenced by another being. 54:49 -Very much possible. -That he was telling me to kill all these people. And the moment they’re jailed, they kind of have a reformation. 54:55 So, reformation and all, I don’t know. But I’ll give you a simple case. A few years ago, it had come out in the newspapers. 55:01 I was in Delhi at that time. -Burari case. -Burari. -The Burari case. -Exactly. So, what happens in that case? 55:06 So, this gentleman, whoever that family is, One of their ancestors starts visiting them 55:11 and telling them various things, what to do, what not to do. They start following those advices. Why did that ancestor start telling them, 55:18 -in the first place? -Listen to it first. -Yes. -Ancestor comes and tells them, 55:24 do this, do that, etc. And they start making a lot of progress in their business, 55:29 material progress for two years, two years it goes on. Fantastic progress they are making it. Obviously, what happens? 55:35 Average human beings, you get greedy, and you have started believing in it. Then one day that that entity 55:40 who came in the form of their ancestor, because these beings are very good at shape shifting. 55:45 They can even pretend to be a deity. By the way. They are very good at this. So this comes in and then says that now 55:53 I am going to change your full destiny. All you have to do is just tie a rope 56:01 around your neck and jump but you will not die. You’ll have a rebirth, complete. Everybody will live from there. 56:07 And then magical things will happen. This, that, etc. Whole family does that and finished. 56:12 What happened to their souls, according to you? They will enter a very negative state. 56:19 They will attain as– They will go to a state which is lower than that entity which was influencing them. 56:24 And for a very long time they will remain there until and unless somebody who’s very higher or something takes pity on them 56:31 and liberates them from there. It might seem that– 56:36 These things, when you see, if you think about it in a very shallow manner, 56:41 in a limited manner, you think that this is so unfair. They were tricked into it. But if you take a large enough time scale, 56:47 you’ll see that there’s nothing that happens without some karmic link in some past life or something of the other. 56:53 I know one instance here, and I had a friend who was an excellent exorcist. He was very good. 56:58 He is not in India. I won’t mention any details about him here. So, he used to tell me 57:03 and because we had similar interests and he was one of the very genuine people. So that’s why my interest was there. 57:10 Because normally if it’s not genuine, I lose interest and I move on. But he was very genuine 57:15 and he had equally a proper understanding of our systems. He was not Indian. 57:20 He was a very good exorcist. So, he used to tell me that when he sees a person, he sees if there is a spirit 57:26 or something attached, anything, he sees them also. And at a young age, he used to see people roaming around 57:33 first he used to think that everybody sees it. Then he saw that only he’s able to see. And others can’t see. Then he had a guru who taught him what to do 57:39 and how to process this information into a meaningful manner. Used in a meaningful manner. So, he told this very beautiful thing 57:46 and that is so accurate. It applies even to our systems also. Said that never does a possession happen 57:51 without some karmic link in some past. There is some permission that that entity has from nature 57:57 in order to cause that harm. Because somewhere or the other you might have harmed it. 58:02 You will not remember. That entity will also not remember. So, I said then how do you remove? 58:08 How do you bring a cure? He said that the– And in fact, he had sent me a lot of their occult texts 58:14 and things to do. But I lost it. I was not interested. Because what we have is more than sufficient for us, I feel. 58:21 This was more of just an intellectual curiosity. Spiritual also because he was very good. 58:27 So that way. So, I told him how do you deal with it? He said that his role 58:33 was to primarily convince that entity to give up on its own. 58:39 Because if you apply force to remove which can be done then that is the beginning of another karma. 58:45 -Oh! -Oh yes. -Because you’re interacting with it. -Yes. Nature has a law. Nature is the biggest chartered accountant 58:52 in the world. One left and right balance sheet is perfectly maintained. Possession can happen only if that, 58:58 the one who is getting possessed had at some point done some activity which you may or may not remember, nobody perhaps remembers, 59:04 in some past lifetime to the possessing entity. So, nature does a balancing act. 59:10 You come back and you have a chance to do it. But the problem is that we don’t remember anything. 59:16 So, we don’t know that where the line is to draw. If you overstep that line, 59:22 then also there is another beginning of a new Karmic chain that happens. So this guy, what he used to do 59:27 is that he used to try, and it used to take time, 15 days, 20 days, 30 days sometimes 59:34 and convince that entity of its own to leave that being. 59:39 And this process by the way happens here also. In India also when a possession is to be removed 59:46 then very often it happens is that a mix of threat is given to that possessing entity 59:54 which could be a Bhoota, Pret, or whatever else, etc. Normally possessions are done by these only. 1:00:01 Bit of threat. Because you have the power of– Some blessings of some deity has to be with you. Otherwise, they’ll not be scared of you. 1:00:07 In fact, they are very nasty. Some of the nasty pieces of things that are there The moment you sit in front 1:00:12 they know everything about you. Everything okay? Whatever things you are doing in public, whatever you’re doing in private, etc. 1:00:18 They see how much power actually you have. They see that you don’t have power, They’ll straightaway blurt out something that is going to embarrass 1:00:24 the hell out of you, and then they’ll give you one bad word and tell you now get lost from here. It’s not your capacity to do anything, 1:00:29 but if somebody is an upasaka of a deity and has a blessing of the Devata then they will not try all these stunts. 1:00:35 Then they will be a little bit more reserved in dealing with that. So anyway, 1:00:40 There what happens is that those entities are told that okay, you leave this person 1:00:46 in return we’ll do you something good, tell me what you want? Sometimes they may say that some issue has happened 1:00:53 or something like that, or my descendants are not giving me the… 1:01:02 There are offerings to be given to the ancestors or something– This person has done some negative to me 1:01:08 when he was alive or something like that. So, some resolution sometimes happens. So, they say that okay, I promise you, 1:01:14 they extract a promise from that entity. You leave. Instead, I’ll give– And in return I’ll give you XYZ. 1:01:19 This, this, this. And once the entity says, okay, I agree to it, then they will leave. They are also, in a way a bit, 1:01:25 not entirely like deities. But they don’t have a physical form. 1:01:30 So, this is a process, one of the ways. So, you basically tell that entity that you leave. But you can force them out also, 1:01:37 by the way. Forcing out has this only issue that you don’t know what kind 1:01:43 of karmic thing you’re interfering in. I believe the forcing out is to be done only when the exorcist 1:01:49 has the blessing of a deity. Because a deity, proper blessing of a Devata, if you have 1:01:55 and the deity has blessed you and you are tightly connected to the deity, the deity can take away the karma 1:02:03 the deity knows. So, you don’t do anything. You wait, the deity will inspire. Go and do this. 1:02:10 Then it’s not your responsibility. Then whatever karma is there, etc. Deity will take care. In Christianity, with the priest exorcist, 1:02:17 like how they’ve showed in the movie, -the Exorcist.-Yeah. Is the deity Jesus Christ? The original Exorcist movie I had seen, 1:02:26 I think they were invoking angels. I don’t remember exactly, but I think they were invoking 1:02:31 two of the archangels they have. Perhaps it was that. Which is an equivalent 1:02:36 of what we have in India, like where you say Aum Maa. This Maa, like all the deities we have? 1:02:42 No, deities are not angels. Deities are more powerful than angels. -Okay. -What we worship as Devatas 1:02:48 are more powerful than angels. Is there a Western equivalent of it? No, that is because the Western religions 1:02:56 have negated the concept of deities. They came in as more like a counter force before they became more popular, 1:03:02 whether it’s any of the Western religions, etc. So, their original culture of the Greeks, 1:03:07 original Roman culture, original Egyptian culture, they had multiple Devatas. 1:03:13 They used to worship multiple Devatas. So, these new religious currents came in and said that no deity, no deity. 1:03:20 We won’t accept any deity, we’ll only worship one. So, all deities had to be canceled, rejected, removed, etc, etc. 1:03:25 So how can there be a concept -of a deity in that? -Okay. So, it is more of a– Some people believe 1:03:30 that let’s put angels as equivalent. No. Some of their angels could be very powerful, 1:03:36 I’m not denying that. But they are also tied to those cultures. They will not come here so easily. -Like geographically you are saying? -Oh no. 1:03:43 These entities have ties to the kind of people who are worshiping them. 1:03:49 They have the specific type of worship and they respond to that. So, a specific kind of angel is there. 1:03:55 If you just sit here and do some bhaktibhav, etc. -It’s not going to happen. -Okay. I wanted to talk about many other things 1:04:02 on this episode, but because we’ve spoken about astral body, physical body and now Satan, 1:04:09 there’s a couple of final questions for you. And then we’ll do a sequel episode to this as well, where we’ll expand upon all these entities 1:04:15 a little more. The first question is an explanation 1:04:21 -of the causal body. -Okay. -Karan Sharira. -Karan Sharira So, at the start of the podcast, 1:04:26 we spoke about your physical body your gross body, -your subtle body, your astral body. -Yes. How do you begin to explain 1:04:31 -to someone what a causal body is? -Okay. What is a Karan body? And correct me if I’m wrong, sir, 1:04:37 it’s also present in us right now? It’s present in us, but it is completely inactive. 1:04:42 So inactive means somebody who is, unless you are actually into very deep spiritual practices, 1:04:48 you’ll not experience the Karan Sharira. Experience the Karan Sharira means? 1:04:55 It’s like this. You have the Atman inside also, right? The soul, or what we call 1:05:01 the specific Hindu term, we use, the Atma. But how many people have experienced the Atma? 1:05:09 Experience of the Atma is very different. Have we experienced the Astral body? Astral body, you are experiencing the moment, 1:05:15 you are experiencing any kind of emotion. It is very close to the physical. What is close to the physical, you will experience very easily. 1:05:21 These are very far off from the physical. These are very, very, very subtle. So subtle that unless you are consciously 1:05:27 able to take yourself to that subtle realm, -you’ll not so easily experience it. -Do we experience the astral body 1:05:33 in our dreams as well? Yes, very much. Absolutely. -Always when we are dreaming? -Oh yes. -The astral body is at play. -Yes, yes. 1:05:40 In fact, dreams are not– So, dream analysis is another very, 1:05:45 very beautiful topic. Another podcast episode. So, yeah. 1:05:50 More or less during dreams, your astral body is fully active. That’s where all the thing is playing out. Whether it’s good, whether it’s bad, everything. 1:05:57 Now, how do we begin to explain -causal body? -Okay. Causal body or the Karan Sharira, 1:06:03 as we call it, is the root, the seed of the karmas are planted there. 1:06:08 From which you might have done at a very ancient time, something. -Many lifetimes back. -Many lifetimes ago. 1:06:14 Obviously, you have no memory, nobody has any memory of it, but it has kept some impression from there, from there that matures 1:06:21 and percolates down into your astral. By the time it comes to astral, Already things are happening here 1:06:26 related to that karma. So, second thing is that the causal body is– 1:06:33 In that state, if you are able to consciously attain to the causal body in yoga, in meditation, 1:06:39 in Tantra sadhana, anywhere else, etc, by the time you reach the causal body, 1:06:44 you are already beyond the astral. So, there are no negatives in the causal body. In that realm of the causal body. 1:06:50 No negative entity has the right to even enter into that realm… 1:06:55 -The don’t have the capacity. -Correct me… Correct me if I am wrong, sir. So, in Autobiography of a Yogi, which is my all-time favorite book, 1:07:00 I’ve learned so much of spirituality from that book. There’s an entire chapter -That talks about the astral realm. -Okay. 1:07:06 So, they say that when you attain enlightenment here, you gain access to the astral realm. So rather than being born again 1:07:13 on our plane, you’re born in a higher plane. But spiritual progress doesn’t stop there. 1:07:18 Even as an astral entity, you keep evolving until you earn the right -to experience the causal reality. -Yes. 1:07:25 And the closest thing to explain a causal reality to a human mind 1:07:30 is what you feel in REM sleep. REM sleep. Like when, sometimes you’re very tired and you sleep 1:07:36 and the moment you open your eyes it’s morning and you are just feeling fresh. But that time in the middle wasn’t even time in the first place. 1:07:42 It was a causal reality. -Is that kind of close? -Sort of. That’s kind of broadly similar to the idea 1:07:50 that I was trying to explain? -I’ll let you take the reins. -Yeah. That’s broadly similar to the idea. So causal body is not easy to reach, 1:07:56 But it’s where your true spirituality -starts in a way. -Okay. It is not a true spirituality. 1:08:02 Astral also, there will be spiritual things possible. And there’s a wide range of activity that is happening in the astral. 1:08:07 But the causal is very detached. It is not connected to all the ups and downs 1:08:12 of the astral realm or the positive negative. The polarities that we see here is not there. 1:08:18 And as I said, what we understand as the good, something, we like, 1:08:24 you like a painting, you feel good about it, you like an old friend who’s meeting and you like good about it. 1:08:29 Or you love somebody, you like good about it. This whole feeling of positive. And on the other side, 1:08:34 just the opposite of it, you get scared. You see a movie, you don’t like it. There’s a nightmare, something like that. This full range of positive 1:08:41 negative thing business doesn’t happen in the causal. It’s beyond that. It’s even beyond 1:08:47 for an average human being, imagine that there’s something 1:08:52 that’s happening here, it’s a reality. And then there is a world of imagination. In the imagination, you can travel through the astral plains, 1:08:59 and then there is a world which is beyond your imagination. Understand this. Even you cannot imagine it. 1:09:05 You don’t have the capacity to imagine that also. It’s so rare. Like, try thinking of a new color. 1:09:10 Yes. It’s sort of, exactly. Very good example. Try thinking of a new color. Very difficult. 1:09:15 So, it’s something like that, but it’s attainable through the practice of whether you do yoga 1:09:21 or whether you do Tantra sadhana or something like that, or whether– Whichever deity you are worshiping, they will take you one day to that realm. 1:09:28 And you will see how terrific it is. So, all these Sadhus that we see in the Himalayas, 1:09:34 or even saints that we know of, Saint Tukaram or anyone who has completely evolved 1:09:41 in our earth. All these great saints of different religions, 1:09:47 did they only achieve access to the astral realm, or had they got access to the causal realm as well? 1:09:53 Or was there a mix? But I think there were many saints But I think there were many saints who have gone to the causal realm. 1:10:00 And beyond that, causal also, there are realms where, so basically, it’s like this. 1:10:06 If you go to a causal realm And if you’re permanently stationed, your consciousness is permanently– 1:10:12 See, again, these are very loose words. The actual word is Chit Shakti, is permanently stationed in the causal realm. 1:10:17 What is Chit Shakti? Chit Shakti is the power that motivates you to do sadhana and everything that animates you. 1:10:23 [laughter] The electricity of your soul. I don’t know. I don’t know. 1:10:30 So anyway, consciousness, for lack of better words, so if your consciousness goes to the Karan Jagat 1:10:37 the world of the causal and it stations there, 1:10:42 you are like a God. Understand this thing, our Dharma says that in theory, 1:10:51 if your practice is good at the highest realm, you can divinize yourself to the level of a God. 1:10:56 And not just our main, not just the Vedic Dharma, 1:11:02 even in the Tantrik religion, when the Shaiva Siddhantas came in, and not just the Shaiva Siddhanta, 1:11:08 the Kashmiri Shaivism, which is one of the nondual beautiful versions of Shiva philosophy 1:11:14 from which Tantra is derived, they mention this, that eventually you can reach, there are realms, Tattvas, 1:11:21 36 Tattvas are there. Changes that happen, etc. And you can attain to the condition of Sadashiva. 1:11:28 Condition of Sadashiva. You will not become Shiva. Shiva is one. But you can have that, and you means, one in millions. 1:11:35 I’m not even saying that everybody can do it one in millions and millions, but it is possible to attain 1:11:40 to that level of consciousness. In our lifetime? It may take many lifetimes? 1:11:45 All these things are not going to happen in one lifetime. But while you are physically present -in the human birth. -Earth. 1:11:51 Beyond that is also possible. But there you have to, the body is too gross to hold that energy. You have to go beyond that. 1:11:57 Which is what happens to some great saints where the souls just leave their body because they realize, -now I wanna go there. -Yes. 1:12:03 And in fact, I very recently that just, -again, a tangent that came into my head. -Go for it. 1:12:08 I was once guided very brilliantly, amazingly, by a gentleman 1:12:14 whom I never met, whose name also I did not know. I still don’t know his name, but he was a Siddha Purusha. 1:12:20 He was a tremendous Bhairav upasak. What is Siddha Purusha? Siddha Purusha, the word Siddha Purusha 1:12:25 we use to describe these type of saints who have gone to the Karan Sharira, and the Mahakaran, 1:12:31 who have become like a Devata only, like a God almost. That we call a Siddha Purusha. 1:12:36 Beyond all ordinary conceptions. The spiritual leaders we see in India today? 1:12:42 I can’t comment on any, -Don’t want to comment on any individual. -No, no I won’t ask you any names. But may or may not be. 1:12:50 Some, may be. Some may not be. But I believe that if you go very deep into this Siddha Avastha, means the condition of the Siddha, 1:12:56 Avastha means condition. Condition of the Siddha. You become Siddha Purusha. That level you reach it’s– 1:13:03 To break it down, let’s say 0 to 100, 100 is the maximum spiritual growth that you can happen. 1:13:09 If you are up to 60-65 only, You will already become pretty well known and famous. These days, even 20% also becomes famous. 1:13:17 That’s a different matter altogether, in my opinion. But beyond 60, beyond 70, beyond 80, 1:13:23 those who go, they normally do not, they keep themselves very wrapped. They’ll not come out in public so easily. 1:13:30 They are the people who are meditating far away in the Himalayas. They may be in the cities also, but they’ll make sure that your neighbor 1:13:36 also does not know who he is. This gentleman whom I was talking about, he was a very powerful Siddha. 1:13:42 Very powerful Siddha. He chose his time and place 1:13:48 and condition of death. He had the ability to do that. He chose that. And he had mentioned that when is he, 1:13:54 what time is he going to die, where, etc., where is it, etc. And he wrote that because he’s experienced all 1:14:00 that is to experience in this life. Now he wants to go to the realm of the God whom he worships, Ishta Devata, Bhairava. 1:14:06 And he will continue his upasana there, even better upasana will happen because the trappings of the human body 1:14:11 are not there. Human body gets tired, it needs food, it needs rest, it has to go to the loo. 1:14:17 Various things are there. If you go beyond the human body and if you can continue that, it will be a wonderful experience. 1:14:24 This gentleman, what do you think his childhood was like? I have no idea because I hardly knew anything about him 1:14:30 except that very strange manner he came into my life and he provided some invaluable guidance 1:14:35 in certain upasanas I was doing. So, I deeply respect him. 1:14:40 I don’t even know how he looks. I don’t know his name. I don’t know anything. I just know that– Communication used to happen this way 1:14:45 that I used to write a question I had to a friend, 1:14:50 friend used to go and give it to another guy who lived in a particular state. Then he would go into an interior village 1:14:57 where he lived, go and ask this person. This person would say in his mother tongue 1:15:02 and then he will translate. And this process would take about 30 days for a question answer. But the answer was worth it. 1:15:08 The answer that he would give, I would be, it’s like, I was amazed how the hell is he giving this kind of a, he knew every detail of what am I doing 1:15:14 sitting in my puja room? How many hours am I sitting? What deity am I worshiping? How am I sitting? What changes are happening? 1:15:21 What thought is flashing through my head? Suddenly he says that, one day he sends, so and so date you were doing something 1:15:27 and this particular thought came that you should do this mantra but you did not do, why did you not do? You should do it. Doing this, this, this, you do it. 1:15:33 You will see this, this result. The guy doesn’t know– I don’t know how he looks. I don’t know what is his name, nothing. 1:15:41 We’ve had a lot of monks who’ve come on the show. And one of the monks said that people often think 1:15:47 that monks are not ambitious people. But the truth is that they’re the most ambitious people. They’re so ambitious that they’ve left the material realm. 1:15:54 And I’d understood it. I didn’t think that I had the right to say the truth that you just shared 1:16:00 on the internet. So, I’m glad that you’re shedding light upon these concepts. -This is why monks choose a monk’s life. -Yes. 1:16:08 Or rather, this is why the monk’s soul chooses that particular body 1:16:13 -for that journey. -Yes. Because that soul knows that I’ve already come so far. -Now I don’t want marriage. -Yeah. 1:16:21 -I don’t want kids. -Yeah. I don’t want a career. I just want to go to that higher realm. 1:16:26 Only difference between this and the material realm ambition, is that, so this is also ambition. 1:16:32 So, see, we worship the goddess, one of the most powerful forms of the goddess is Kameshwari. 1:16:37 Kameshwari is what? The controller of all desires. Without desire, no realm is going to run. Whether it’s physical, astral, this that. 1:16:44 She is the one who holds the reins of all desires everywhere and only it is because of desire. 1:16:49 You may be meditating in the Himalayas For 10,000 years and suddenly there is this spark of desire 1:16:55 that comes in, immediately evolution. The world runs, cycles run because of desire. And she is the mother of all desires. 1:17:01 She’s the controller of all desires. She’s the Maha Tripura Sundari. She controls everything. When you pray to her, 1:17:06 your desires go away? No, that’s more complicated. [laughter] Another podcast. 1:17:11 No, it can go away. It can go away to other– But it’s not my– The reason I brought this up is because 1:17:20 ambition in the spiritual field is perfectly all right, greed is not. That’s one thing that happens 1:17:25 in the material plane very often, which is that I want it. I want it quickly, in double quick time. 1:17:30 I’ll use whatever methods I want, and I am greedy about it. Greed is… Greed, dishonesty, you will not survive 1:17:39 in the spiritual realm. You will fall faster than you can. Because the beings you are dealing with, they know you inside out. They know you better than your parents know you. 1:17:45 They know you better than you know yourself. And we are human beings at the greatest capacity of self-delusion. I have seen so many characters like these 1:17:52 little experience, and then they’ll dilute themselves into, I’ve reached this and that. But they know. They know how much honest you are, 1:17:58 how much you are making up stuff, how much your own pep talk, you are telling your mind that I am so and so, 1:18:04 but what exactly is the reality, they know. -So, you cannot fool them. -Okay. This and greed, if this is removed, 1:18:10 ambition is perfectly okay. What is the devil? 1:18:15 In Dharma, there is no devil. Is there Satan at all? 1:18:23 There are powerful negative entities, but there is no one single leader of negative entity. No. 1:18:28 What does Dharma say about pure evil? There is pure evil, pure evil Asuras are there. 1:18:33 But eventually they will fall when the gods decide that they have had their run and they see– That is why the Avatar of Vishnu 1:18:39 keeps happening. Vishnu has not said that after this I am not coming, he will come when the necessity, when Dharma is completely trampled over, 1:18:46 he will come with a tremendous force and he will destroy the asuric forces at that time. Why did God create evil 1:18:52 in the first place? That’s a very philosophical question. 1:18:57 There are various answers possible. One of them is that because the world is made up of dualities, always. 1:19:03 Everything will have a pair. There is day, there is going to be light, there’s summer, there’s going to be winter, etc. 1:19:08 So, this is sort of, like the creative process that it is. That’s one way of looking at it. So, what I’m talking about is that 1:19:16 first understand that these things exist. Now, why do they exist? That’s a question that is very difficult to answer. 1:19:22 Because there you enter into a realm of philosophy and speculation and you can choose which philosophy you like. You may believe in some other concept 1:19:29 that okay, there is no God who did not create evil, some other entity creates evil, etc. In our conception, 1:19:35 no, there’s nothing like that. In fact, the realm of the gods, the great gods, Shiva, etc. 1:19:41 No negative entity, even has the chance of entering, even within a fraction of that space. 1:19:47 They’re way high up. Way high up. All the negative, it’s not that negatives do not exist. They exist. They’re very powerful. 1:19:54 And they cause havoc, as we find in the puranas, they have. But eventually they get overtrumped 1:20:01 when they had their fill and they gain the capacity to do evil by the worship of the gods. 1:20:07 So, in a way, the Devatas, whom we worship, they’re very high up, 1:20:13 way high up means, their realm and our realms, there’s a lot of gap. In order to– The whole of Dharma, whole of rituals, 1:20:19 whole of Mantra, whole of Tantra, whole of upasana paddhati is a language of communication 1:20:25 between your realm and that realm. And with that, I will choose to stop this episode. 1:20:31 Because I haven’t covered everything I wanted to ask you, sir. And I feel for the next one, we’ll actually get into the topics 1:20:37 -that I wished that we spoke. -Okay. About on this one. But I feel this is a great prequel 1:20:42 to that episode -about ghosts and monsters. -Okay. So, thank you again, sir. 1:20:47 -Great episode. -Thank you. Any signing off notes, for the audience who’ve listened to this particular one. 1:20:53 I hope you enjoyed it. And these are wonderful topics. And I believe that if you think and you ruminate over this, 1:20:59 you contemplate, there are many things, you’ll understand. Hopefully these may inspire some people to actually enter into the path of sadhana. 1:21:07 Forget the ghosts and all. Those things are there. But focus on the Devatas. If you focus on the Devatas, 1:21:12 It is a transforming experience -as you keep going. -Yeah. That’s the hope from this podcast 1:21:21 and this team as well. -Yes. -That people get more inclined -towards meditation, prayer. -Yes, yes. 1:21:26 What ancient India was originally known, for knowledge, which I feel, has its own sort of meditation and prayer. 1:21:32 So, thank you again, sir. It was fun. -Yes. -And looking forward to the next one. -Namaste. -Namaste, sir. 1:21:38 As you can tell by this point, we had to split up this episode into two parts. If you’ve seen the first two episodes, 1:21:45 we’ve done with sir. Trust me, you don’t know what you are in for, when it comes to the third one, 1:21:51 it’s about Bhoota, Pret, and Pisach, etc. If you’re from India, you’ll understand what those words mean. 1:21:58 That episode is extremely paranormal centric. All the episodes with Rajarshi, sir 1:22:03 are kind of paranormal centric, but that one will absolutely blow you away. 1:22:08 That’s all I have to say about the next one. Don’t have much to say about this one. 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0:00 I was there alone in the room um right in front of me there were two entities standing just imagine a human being but 0:07 without the physical body so some of them may have hunger some of them may have anger some of them may have lost various things Etc and for some reason 0:14 or the other they remain Trapped In This Plane they’re not able to progress further what do they do with that hunger and lust Ah that’s where the trouble 0:21 comes in okay so if uh if they’re agitated then they they are going to 0:27 cause trouble to somebody other who may be around that same space and what’s a 0:33 stupid way of inviting them to you oh there are so many ways a either you are one of those people who are like an 0:40 exorcist then enter into that but that is formal proper trained and entering 0:45 which is very different so somebody who’s an exorcist knows how to protect himself what needs to be done Etc and 0:51 perhaps his Destiny is that he has to enter into that field for other people straight away do 0:58 Persona of the main date is know how to protect yourself in case there is an overlap and interaction sometimes that 1:04 happens that is the best an average human being can do this episode with rajashi nandi sir is the finale of our 1:11 Trilogy on Tantra and the occult if you haven’t seen the first two episodes of course I do wish you go 1:19 check them out but even if you haven’t this one in itself will create a very big impact in your psyche it will change 1:27 you kind of questions I’ve asked him the kind of answers that sir has given us 1:33 it’s gonna stay with you for a very long time it’s a very dark episode if you’re watching this at night just be 1:40 a little careful um my intention with releasing this kind of content online is never to add more 1:48 Darkness to your life I do want to educate people about darker Concepts according to Tantra according 1:55 to ancient Indian culture but there’s no intention of bringing any amount of Darkness into your 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nandi so 3:11 [Music] 3:19 thank you 3:30 I have a feeling this is going to be the heaviest episode let’s see maybe the darkest because the kind of stuff I 3:36 wanted to speak about on this one we touched upon it in the last episode right uh but I think this is the episode 3:43 where we actually unpacked and feel free to also share experiences on this one because the kind of path you’re on 3:50 um experiences meet you yes uh and we spoke about beings on the last episode 3:55 we spoke about the nature of the soul in the last episode yes but I think a great starting point for this one would be 4:02 the higher beings which might be considered harmful and we’ve had a lot of people who’ve come on the show uh 4:09 kind of just touch upon those topics I feel when you’re authentic practitioner you have a much more intimate 4:14 understanding about these beings these topics you don’t need to expand on this answer if you don’t wish to 4:20 have you come in contact with such beings uh So eventually somewhere the 4:26 other your paths will uh sort of uh not Clash exactly but even if you it’s 4:33 unavoidable as a part so I am saying that it is not that you will have to actually actively pursue them you pursue 4:39 the upasana the practice of the deity you’re worshiping but eventually as you go higher chances are that once in a 4:44 while you will interact with these beings and these entities I remember one instance I was uh for practicing I was 4:53 doing some practice and then suddenly I remember uh peculiar kind of heaviness I started 4:58 feeling and there were thoughts which were completely strange which means parts of uh murder suicide things like 5:05 that out of the blue initially I just rejected it okay it didn’t pay too much attention dreams 5:11 started coming which were very negative now this state continued for two three days what kind of dreams uh very violent 5:18 kind of dreams of uh you know death destruction this that uh more of a kind of nightmarish quality to the dreams 5:26 where you are portrayed in a you know you see yourself engaging in certain kinds of very 5:31 harsh activities uh two days it continued most of the time when I was I used to keep myself busy to get out of 5:38 it work and other things office work stuff like that Etc but after the second 5:43 third day I felt that these none of this is my thoughts one of the first things 5:49 is as you go deeper into yoga know that half of in not half ninety percent of the thoughts are not even your own it’s 5:54 just passing through various sources or somewhere else your mind it passes through your mind and you attach yourself to it and you think it’s you 6:00 are thinking it so first thought that struck me very clearly that this is not mine because I I don’t think like this 6:06 okay I know myself I know what is the standard pattern of my thoughts even if it’s negative how far it can go I know 6:13 that it can’t go beyond this Etc so that uh third day it was so disturbing that 6:19 uh um I was not able to meditate I was not able to do anything and there was constant bombardment in the mind of very 6:26 strong thoughts of extreme negativity violence death uh 6:31 this kind of stuff so I remember I came back from office and at night 6:37 I started uh uh Mantra of matara good 6:42 and uh for two two and a half hours I did full month with little bit of Puja 6:48 adminster after that another and after that I read a small fire ritual to matara why specifically matara because I 6:56 was worshiping her at that time okay okay I was worshiping Mata at the time 7:01 and uh after a point of the practice after a 7:07 point of the sadhana it reached a very very detached very beautiful condition with her 7:13 blessing creeper we call it I’ve reached a very detached condition so I could 7:19 like I was there but I was kind of detached from myself and I could see things which otherwise I would not be 7:24 able to perceive and that’s when I saw I was there alone in the room um right in front of me there were two 7:30 entities standing okay uh one was significantly negative looking and 7:38 very short night but very negative uh kind of let me just look at the 7:43 appearance and you’ll feel a little cringe could you could you describe the appearance a little bit no it’s it’s it’s like humanish uh but uh 7:52 the vibe was very very negative the eyes were very specific like I was sitting 7:58 here and I think just a few distance from here was standing this guy this entity this being it was uh the feeling 8:05 that you have that it has a human appearance but it is not human when it’s difficult to describe it 8:11 properly but that’s the typical feeling that you’ll get and you could feel that it’s like dripping with negativity and 8:17 then behind it there was another entity which was very calm and it felt even more dangerous but there’s this cold 8:24 evil that you have this sense that you feel like Etc Richard I at the time I 8:30 had no idea and I what those entities are but what happened was because of the force of the Mantra that I was doing 8:36 these were the ones who were causing this whole rakas in my head and things were and also yeah I was having a lot of 8:43 conflicts to suddenly out of the blue just like that fights with people which and fights over things that is not my 8:50 normal propensity I know that I’m a fight over XYZ but this is not what I am I knew it very well so I think to truly 8:57 understand what sir is saying you have to actually listen to the previous episode because you spoke about astral 9:03 existence which means that within your body there are three bodies yes one’s 9:09 the physical body once the Astro body once the causal body yes and these bodies exist on different planes which 9:15 are present all around us in our realm as well is that fair to say yes okay absolutely where we exist also exists 9:21 the astral plane that contains higher beings right uh and when you are meditating you were able to kind of 9:28 access that plane or rather you’re able to remove your brain’s filter in some ways uh no these entities can come to 9:34 you for various reasons there’s no specific uh rule hard and fast rule as I said 9:40 sometimes you maybe you may be your practice may be going very deep that’s when they will come to interfere that’s 9:46 a very typical strategy they have why that’s their nature that just the nature it’s so we think of 9:53 it from we rationalize things from our point of view that we are like this so if you put your hand inside a Tiger’s 9:59 mouth five times out of uh five times you do four times it’ll bite you because it’s Justice nature to do so so there 10:05 Dharma as I was saying some of these entities their specific Dharma is to cause disturbance and they feed on that 10:12 in people’s in peoples in people’s lives Etc uh there are some beings who will 10:18 come and interfere specifically to those who are into practices other normal beings normal person they will not 10:23 interfere with if you’re doing a practice that is when they will come and try to disrupt your practice the whole aim is somehow break the Rhythm the 10:29 moment the rhythm is broken your energy is going to fall energy is fall means you will not reach where you are supposed to reach that’s all and we have 10:36 evidences of this in the olders if you read the ramayana you see that Lord Rama 10:41 was brought by Rishi vishwamitra because they were asuras destroying the AG guess so he asks a very young Lord Rama and 10:48 lakshman other please come and protect the against the fire ritual elaborate Vedic ritual of the worship of the Gods 10:54 okay and they come and they fight with the asuras and the rakshasas and they remove them so there are specific 10:59 entities whose role specifically has been since time since historical times since 11:05 ancient times wherever there are upasana worship of devathas going on they will come to interfere and depending on your 11:11 caliber that will be matched by the caliber of the entity that is coming by the way it is don’t for a very for a 11:18 person who is starting the journey do not expect that some you are not vishwamitra so no rakshasa or Surah is 11:23 going to come so easily to you they influence they obstruct when there is a large-scale in terms of person are 11:30 happening which can have a strong positive impact on a lot of people that they will obstruct and the other is 11:35 sometimes they influence people and they influence people only those people through whom they can cause large amount 11:42 of Destruction they’re not interested in one single individual they are absolutely no interest in you me as an 11:47 average individual you can go about doing your life and I’m talking about asuras which are the highest of the negatives in our Dharma there’s nothing 11:53 Beyond this whereas in negative scale if you look at it that way but they will only interfere and influence only those 11:59 beings those people those entities through whom they can cause lot of Destruction which is why I think history 12:05 written that Hitler was being influenced by nasula because through him so much 12:11 destruction could be caused um while there’s many more questions I have so I want to actually address the 12:17 Skeptics here as well okay there’s a lot of Skeptics when it comes to topics like this my viewpoint about Skeptics is that 12:24 there is a place for skepticism in the world actually progress in the world moves forward often because of 12:29 skepticism when we talk about scientific progress material progress but when it comes to Skeptics about things like this 12:40 uh the argument often is uh either where’s the evidence or these are 12:46 stories that encapsulate and capture emotions and then used to manipulate people and uh also it’s like just 12:56 as a concept is something that’s present in Minds that treat only science as God 13:03 now science is important for the world and it’s a very um integral part of the world it’s full 13:09 of Integrity science a very honest approach to life but it has its own 13:14 limitations that’s why we have scientists in the world to kind of constantly break those limitations and see what’s beyond me 13:20 this is about all the stuff that’s beyond and of course when you’re talking about stuff that’s beyond it can be used 13:25 negatively then you can just go crazy with it but what’s your answer to the 13:31 Skeptics watching the podcast at this point so uh in general 13:36 I never tried to convince a skeptic because I had been a skeptic at one point of time so I believe that it’s a 13:42 natural progression on their own so it is not something that can be proved via arguments so you no amount of argument 13:48 is good enough to convince a skeptic uh because the mind gets said that okay I don’t want to believe it don’t want to 13:54 believe it however there are people who are Skeptics and who may suddenly have an experience and I’m not even talking 14:00 about a Divine experience this negative experience is even more dangerous okay uh have an experience and then they 14:06 suddenly as I said an experience that is outside of a normal realm of existence the react how you react to it how the 14:14 mind reacts to it is very different I mean you may end up in a State of Shock and that doesn’t matter how much skeptic 14:19 you might be you’ll still end up in a State of Shock yeah or if you’re fundamentally very strong-willed you 14:25 will survive it but your perspective will change my answer to Skeptics is let your experiences lead the way rather 14:31 than the words you see in books right because there is a whole world beyond the world of books and literature and 14:37 text as well uh the world of intuition the world of creativity imagination but 14:43 if you still need proof for yourself let your human eyes and senses find the 14:48 proof go out and experience the world go out and meet New Perspectives absolutely 14:54 true the best way to do you know somebody is a genuine skeptic but somebody who’s a skeptic with a sort of 15:00 an agnostic Viewpoint which means that you are not firmed up your mind that yes or no I will base it on evidence that 15:06 kind of a person if he or she goes out spend months spend you know go out meet 15:11 people I’m sure there will be a lot of people who may be delusional frauds but even after 10 frauds you may meet 15:17 somebody who’s actually genuine and you may come across an experience which you cannot explain through rational work 15:22 okay to rational understanding in fact something like that is how I got changed 15:28 into I I used to be in just the average guy in college with no interest in this no zero interest in engineering 15:34 engineering College you’re interested in these things then I um I had an experience once I was I’d 15:40 gone to the Durga Puja panel and uh Bengali Durga Puja is like it’s more 15:45 both the religious Festival as well as a cultural Festival so everybody goes there so I was there I remember 15:51 um and I was looking at the year of uh with and for suddenly for a few seconds just 15:59 like my mind entered into some kind of a Zone and normally if you go to Durga 16:04 Puja you’ll see that all there is sound and noise and things like that everything stopped cut nothing no sound and I could see the deity almost there 16:11 standing right in front and for a second it was it was real than anything I’ve ever seen just real when you can’t 16:17 describe it and um very organically I asked for two things that if there’s a 16:23 truth to these matters I would like to know and another prayer came out which 16:28 is more private which I don’t mention but this happened this whole thing must 16:33 have happened for maybe two seconds or three seconds not even that right after that the rational mind kicks in and 16:38 rational medicine or must be an illusion of the mind okay this is impossible all nonsense you’re just believing making a 16:44 stuff up and you never tell anybody because I is rejected from the mind he this must not have happened I mean how 16:51 can this happen this is obviously you know some kind of a delusion or something but strangely seven days later 16:57 I am sitting with a friend of mine and there is the friend’s uncle is a very powerful very Advanced 17:04 capacity it’s one of the people I consider as my gurus so his he had called up this friend and he was just 17:10 speaking to him and he says asks him that um who’s uh so in Hindi he says that 17:15 who’s there in a room with you is there anybody there so he says yeah just a friend is there just pass the phone to 17:22 him so he gave me the phone and I don’t even know what to speak of so I just say namaste blood out and Namaste and he’ll 17:27 say namaste and then he says I’ll come to Bangalore for some office work uh meet me once okay and after I hang up 17:35 the phone my friend is saying that people come from far and wide to meet him and all that and uh so in my mind 17:41 there’s a mix of curiosity what is happening exactly okay I officially I was more of the agnostic skeptic nastic 17:49 and non-believer kind of things but there was this curiosity that why do people come to him I said why did he 17:55 call him go and see but I went to meet him after a few days he comes there and he’s speaking to me and um suddenly 18:01 I realized that he’s speaking to me things that there is no way on Earth He Can Know About Me step by step one after the other one 18:08 after the other what is going on I thought this is some trick is going on this is mind reading must be some 18:13 hypnotism mind reason something like that because my rational mind is trying to justify that experience how is it 18:19 possible and uh then he told me uh in coming months XYZ things are going to happen 18:25 with you so yes things like that I have a restriction on mentioning his name in 18:31 public so that I will never do is very clear on that but he was a very Advanced 18:38 of the bhagavadi you have to explain the word again is one who does sadhana one 18:44 who does practice of the deity okay okay so uh that is where I remember during 18:49 conversation with him uh he gave me a mantra and said do this Mantra just 18:56 chant this month I was curious because once I became uh once I analyzed in my own way I analyzed and saw that uh this 19:03 was not mind reading uh there is nothing for him to gain from me so if I were to hypnotize you and mind you I have to 19:08 gain something why would I do it either I have to gain your appreciation but why would I want your represent you’re a nobody I’m just a policeman there’s 19:15 nothing there neither do I have a lot of money he’s not asking for my money I anyway I didn’t have that much money anything so why what exactly is this 19:22 happening then like just a thought came that uh okay let us assume for the sake 19:28 of assumption that there is a possibility of something beyond what I can understand through rationality and whatever my limited understanding 19:34 rationality is then I asked him that how how do I how is this possible so he said 19:39 that that is where the processes you do um he gave me a 19:45 Mantra to chant and um for a year I chanted kept chanting 19:51 nothing happened then one day I called him and said that uh nothing is 19:56 happening something has to happen I mean why will I waste my time doing this and so many other things in life to do okay and uh 20:02 [Music] I wanted some experience at that time I 20:07 I used to I started off so first of all my entry was like from a non-traditional background into this field so I call 20:14 always say that I was more of a lateral entry into the path of the Dharma in the 20:19 path of you then he said okay you do an anusthanam you do you take a sankalpa as I was 20:25 explaining means you make a promise to the deity that I will do so much amount of sadhana in so many days with these 20:31 these XYZ rules that’s all and then you follow those rules and do it but those rules were given by him uh somewhat 20:38 given by him okay okay and somebody but it’s still a more relaxed it was not very complicated you can make this very 20:43 complicated also the more tougher rules you put the greater and you succeed higher is the result you will get okay 20:50 but it was more of a thing that was kind of relaxed only thing was the timing was to be fixed every day at this specific 20:57 time I had to sit at night and it used to take me close to one and a half hours of Japan 21:04 so I remember even during weekends when uh that time my friends would come and 21:09 say okay let’s go to a pub and things like that I said ah just wait for some time I’ll finish it and then we’ll go okay so I had no expectation that 21:15 anything will happen but just mechanically doing it but I took it more as a challenge okay these are the rules 21:20 let’s see I’ll do the rules and I finished it in 40 days it was 21:25 supposed to be 41 days I remember then it was a Sunday at the end of it the next day morning I um it was a 21:34 basically I had not the faintest idea who was whatever I am from the background who has very 21:41 standard idea of gods there is a Shiva is there mahakali is there because Bengal Kali is most popular and there’s 21:47 Krishna is there when all that I have no idea who is this so 21:53 after the 41st day I’m standing outside and I’m having coffee and having very 21:58 beautiful filter coffee and I’m uh suddenly I see there are cars coming one 22:03 two three four five six seven eight nine and all of them had the different cars but not even a group together it’s like 22:08 separate cars individual cars coming and each of them had this poster of uh 22:14 and wherever is not that popular in South by the way it’s popular not as 22:19 popular as it is in some areas or Not by the time the seventh rate car came in I was stuck that this is something is 22:27 going on this is not normal this is something different because I have been here all the while I’ve never seen so 22:32 many cars that two of the of a name that is not that popular I can understand if it is some of the other deities or in 22:39 Maharashtra if it’s ganpati I can understand very popular forms but there it is not there and uh just tracked me 22:45 in my head but I again rejected it I will take it too seriously it could be a coincidence after all I don’t know that 22:51 night I was in the room sleeping and 233 I woke up and uh uh right in front of me 22:58 I could see a presence of the deity of bhairav 23:04 yeah which is supposed to be a scary form of Shiva scary because your mind is not accustomed to taking it 23:12 okay and I got scared I got full scared I was like 23:17 and remember next day I called him up my Guru can you describe what it looked 23:23 like no full I will not go into description just that he was standing there okay and I couldn’t sleep after that okay just standing and I 23:32 actually see there are more uh more 23:39 things involved because so around Shiva or around bhairava 23:45 there are always ganas who are Ghana means who are basically uh the family of the deity who are greatly connected to 23:52 the deity and from that realm okay specifically for Shiva they are called Shiva ganas or rudraganas or 23:58 bhairavaganas so if you do their upasana properly and suppose you have some past life link or something like that is 24:03 there it is often the case that before the prime Pradhan devatas the primary 24:09 deity you are worshiping comes one of these ganas will come just to see who is it calling they don’t mean you any harm 24:15 but just to check if you can’t take their energy how will you take the energy of the deity okay but this is a 24:20 very standard thing what do you mean take energy take means you are able to see what happened that whatever that 24:26 entity whatever that being was there it is not negative at all it was means there uh I got scared I got scared and I 24:33 called him next day I’ve called him uh on phone and said that xyzer he said it’s okay don’t worry too much about it 24:38 if you’re feeling too scared go and stay with your any other friend’s house one two days and then come back it will be fine I did that one two days later okay 24:45 and um for few days I stopped the practice because I could not process Q what 24:53 happened but then there is some urge within me that says that no don’t stop let’s do it again let’s see where it 24:59 goes where where does this stop where does this go like this I kept continuing to practice 25:05 uh so this was one of my primary first 25:10 experiences now what happens is when a deity when one of these great gods 25:17 any of this suppose by some miracle or something where to come with the full 25:23 energy full Shakti full power even passes by near you unless you are ready 25:28 for it unless your mind and body has the power to take that you will be in a record State because this is a 25:35 tremendously different energy in fact uh if you read that autobiography Yogi which you were referring to I think I 25:41 remember one of the chapters is a very interesting line when he’s explaining about kriyayo and I read it long back he 25:47 says that if your body so if you know it’s like your your body is imagine your body is like a 40 watt bulb okay and if 25:54 you put instead of 40 watt if you put in 100 000 Watts about what is going to happen it will crack it doesn’t have the 26:00 capacity to take it the whole process of upasana is that you attain to the fitness where you can take the 26:06 interaction with a devotee without either having any kind of a year but what happens during the interaction 26:12 there’s a sort of energy exchange no no then that depends that’s again these are 26:18 all very so if if suppose you reach 26:23 a very high state that there is a actually a deity interacts with you he or she will try to transform you okay 26:30 into something more spiritual something that will take you to a higher zones okay that is one of the primary things 26:36 of deities uh if they come and by the way because this will be heard by a lot 26:43 of people there are many instances where people see deities they feel they see they see something also and yet it 26:49 causes no transformation in them okay they remain exactly as it is so these 26:55 topics are more complicated than they appear in what we can verbally explain properly that’s why the necessity of a 27:01 good Guru uh to take Give an example uh see in this case so what happened is 27:07 after that experience my practice became more intense okay that’s 27:13 good fine that’s a sort of a blessing from the deity there are people I know who see deities who claim to have seen 27:19 and I’m not doubting them at all but it has caused not the slightest change in them on the other hand if you go back 27:26 and read the biography of a saint luxury ramakrishna paramansa so he sees mahakali once okay once this is and it 27:34 changes him into a saint it becomes complete transformed completely so not all seeing is same 27:43 that’s why these things uh we enter into zones which cannot be explained verbally 27:48 easily and that is why there is the necessity of somebody a guru who can hold your hand and can you know correct 27:54 you or guide you or what to take seriously what not to get too attached to things like that 28:01 um wow okay uh you know can something evil 28:08 something demonic pose as a positive deity absolutely and it happens uh one 28:15 two cases I knew of individuals uh 28:20 they can pose sometimes they will come with a lot of effulgence a lot of light a lot of power and lot of things but 28:27 there is one trick to it trick means I I say that it happens to people 28:32 who worship now on the surface of it if you ask that why are you worshiping 28:39 they’ll say I want Moksha I want Liberation I want to because of my bhakti etc etc but deep down what is 28:44 your secret desire what is it that you want so I am worshiping that I become more powerful or I am worshiping I want 28:50 XYZ some uh things are there sometimes your greed and desire is much more than 28:56 what you are allowed by Nature so what these entities will come they will first come with a lot of effulgence lot of 29:02 Etc these things and then they will give you 29:08 to some degree what you want they will tell you oh you want this I’ll make you the best in the this thing Etc there is 29:14 always from deep within there is it’s like this this principle that happens in the spirituality no possession can 29:20 happen without an affirmation from within um and affirmation is not verbal verbal 29:26 speech is the worst of the all speeches it’s the most useless of all speeches in the spiritual field 29:31 there are higher Realms of speech where you don’t utter any word you can communicate but verbal speech is the one 29:37 where you can lie and you lie not to the world you lie to yourself that is the worst part hundreds of people do that 29:42 all the time I am doing the Puja for this purpose that purpose but your secret motivation is something else and 29:47 as is your motivation so will be your activity to judge a person observe the 29:53 actions not look at the words words don’t mean a thing deities don’t care about your words they see what is your 29:58 secret motivation so these entities often can come to people because of that 30:03 if there is some motivation for something else and there is agreed to uh succeed fast 30:09 motivation and speed so you don’t want to wait you want the faster path normal for a day 30:16 tube person normal the gods we River as the great Gods Shiva Krishna they are 30:22 not going to come so fast to you if it is happening very fast then get yourself checked immediately 30:27 either you are a good that’s where you have to go to a guru you cannot do it yourself how do you find a guru take 30:34 your time don’t be in a hurry you meet people uh see if their words are you know sort of 30:42 gelling with it but not just words see the energy is dealing with you and the other thing is important to note is that 30:47 who what is the guru parampara which means what I mean specifically it is applied to since we were talking we 30:54 are talking a lot about Tantra sadhara so in Tantra it is very important that who is the gurus Guru who is the guru’s 31:01 guru’s guru three generations of accomplished gurus has to be there it cannot there is no Swami Guru I don’t know who my guru’s 31:08 Guru is one day morning he got up and became enlightened it doesn’t work it may work in some cases but then all that 31:14 doesn’t work because a guru is finally like imagine a huge Banyan Tree Guru is 31:19 one of the branches of a fruit in that tree but that is connected to that whole thing ecosystem is there that is what a 31:25 cooler is that is what a whole samprada is the date is whose his Guru has worshiped and his Guru has worshiped in 31:31 fact you have to do the worship of the gurus is very important you have to do tarpanam to the guru sarpana means 31:38 basically a process by which you tell them that let you be satisfied okay there’s a 31:45 method of doing it we do it for pitrus also ancestors and all that who have expired in the Hindu ritual custom after 31:52 a year or so or specifically we do tarpanam to them we do tarpanam to rishis also and we do tarpanam to the 31:59 gurus to the three generations of gurus it is necessary to do them it is necessary to invoke Their Blessings when 32:04 you are doing a sadhana so that they can protect you they can guide you they can ensure that the right knowledge is passing through you you are never alone 32:11 you are just a part of this ecosystem even after having great Guru still you may not progress because there is 32:18 another factor which is time mahakal he is the Lord of time until he sets the tone this is the time for you to 32:24 progress you will not go but still you practice I remember once long back when I was initial days one very Advanced 32:31 upasaka and I was a bit confused about certain things he told me that what if I 32:37 tell you that you’ll never make any progress in this lifetime would you continue the practice or did 32:42 you leave it so I was like it was a rhetorical question I didn’t answer she says that it’s a very simple thing if the person 32:48 says genuinely if you say that okay nothing is going to happen you’re wasting your time it’s useless this 32:54 lifetime is not going to happen anything for you so then he may think uh what is the use of doing I have so many other things I can do he was not even meant 33:01 for it in the first place the person who can continue with devotion even when there is no sight of 33:08 the result coming that is the person who has a chance eventually of succeeding and this and 33:13 nature is a very good filtering process it may be the time when all the Sacred Scriptures 33:20 which were originally passed down to the samprada guru to shisha are all open in the internet yet the number of people 33:26 who succeed is exactly fixed not one extra will succeed you can practice as much as you want 33:32 somewhere the other something will happen so Nature has this very good filtering mechanism very good I mean 33:38 there is no greater accountant than nature in the world yeah I feel it’s like kind of a river 33:44 and a dam that you can keep trying even if you’re not meant to do it and then mahakal will come and say okay 33:52 and then the river will flow with Force yes uh you’ll probably progress really 33:57 fast in the next book and in fact one of the things that happens often is that initial stages I when I deal with other 34:04 upasakas younger and they’re very promising and good people the initial stages when they start it’s it goes like 34:10 this very fast very fast lot of experiences you enjoy it suddenly it will come this Plateau that is your test 34:16 how many people 70 people will fall off in this stage because you’ll get bored and there are other more exciting things 34:22 in life and I am saying this in a non-judgmental way it’s perfectly all right if you don’t like it I have never 34:28 in my life post anybody into vasana in fact my first principle is if anybody 34:34 approaches me try to get him off get him off if this still sticks around and 34:39 there are the propensities that he’s meant to do it and is meant to do it through me that is also there he may be 34:45 meant to do it but maybe he’s supposed to get it from somebody else so I am not there to interfere in that process then 34:51 I may give him one small what I feel intuitively or something like that and tell him and then nature will take care 34:56 if he’s serious if if everything is in set six months one year down the line the seed will start showing fruits then 35:03 you can decide that with whether more guidance is required and how to you know go about interact and how to hand hold 35:11 Etc necessary things but not as a guru because that’s all there’s a word called 35:18 Serendipity it means that situations come together you know again it’s the same thing 35:24 that’s effectively what you’re saying that when situations come together progress will happen yes when it’s meant 35:31 to happen things will happen yes but um there is a feedback loop in nature so if 35:37 you just wait that when situations will happen I will not do anything right now then the feedback loop is such that 35:43 suppose you were you were to start a spiritual journey 10 years from now nature can put it 10 lifetimes from now 35:49 because you’re not making any effort now um gotcha all right the key is to maintain 35:55 your discipline yes okay uh I have to ask you about those higher beings no 36:01 because that was the theme of this episode and you just touched upon it you said 36:08 and asuras yeah I will let you break down each of those starting with both 36:13 so very simply speaking what we call bhuta is uh 36:19 discarnate entities entities who don’t have a physical presence body like that and 36:25 they may be roaming around in this plane some of them were alive also okay so their Tendencies are very much human and 36:32 they have their own sets of uh just like that human beings are they they may like something just imagine a human being but 36:39 without the physical body so some of them may have hunger some of them may have anger some of them may have lost you know various things Etc and for some 36:47 reason or the other they remain Trapped In This Plane they’re not able to progress further what do they do with that hunger and lust that’s where the 36:53 trouble comes in okay so if uh if they are agitated then they they are going to 37:00 cause trouble to somebody other who may be around that same space so I told you 37:05 this astral and the physical are overlapping okay like where the physical plane is which is this plane around us 37:11 astral is at the exact same place you just can’t see what’s happening it’s like a piece of paper right on top 37:18 you’ve kept exactly another piece of paper and you’re looking from Top it looks like one piece of paper but there are two um 37:24 and but causal is not you causal is much higher okay all right okay causal is 37:30 like uh you have to lift yourself to the realm where all these things they’ll all fall off they also don’t know see there 37:35 is just a beautiful episode of uh Swami uh tulsidas ji comes to mind there’s a 37:41 load story so he used to uh every day he was a devotee of Lord Rama and he used 37:48 to go in the morning ablutions and all and Puja part finish and then the water used to come and drop under a banyan 37:54 tree okay and 40 days 50 days has been dropping under the Banyan tree and suddenly one booth comes from down the tree he has been staying in that tree so 38:00 the bhut says that I am very pleased with you because you are dropping that water I am feeling happy because there is a method of tarpana that is to be 38:07 done but to satisfy the spirits basically it’s done sometimes but he was not doing it with that idea he had no 38:12 idea that there was anything in the tree it’s just dropping the water the spirit comes and says that what do you want I 38:18 want to give you say that but I was not doing to please you because I didn’t even know you existed because it wouldn’t doesn’t matter you still ask 38:24 and he says that show me where is Lord Rama and he says that if I knew I wouldn’t be stuck here 38:30 so then he says that but I will tell you how you can go to somebody who can teach 38:35 you where is Rama since there is a ramayana satsang that happens go there you will see that the person who comes 38:42 in last and who goes at the very end a kind of a you go and hold his arms he’s 38:50 pleased with you he will teach you Lama and that was to come in that form to listen to the 38:56 ramayana okay wow so the point of this story is that these 39:02 Buddhas also do not have any idea about what is happening outside their knowledge is just as limited as human beings but they suffer from that anger 39:09 and they suffer from that sometimes and they project that into anybody who 39:15 comes in their environment or they may project it into and those are specifically those are pitrus pitrus 39:21 means ancestors who have uh who are dead they’re dead but they’re stuck in a 39:27 particular realm called pituloka which is also part of the astral plane that’s true they asked this is all in the astral Dominion so when our ancestors 39:34 dive they’ve not progressed to Heaven they get stuck in the astral not heaven heaven is fine rebirth 39:41 if they are not able to take rebirth yes for some reason or the other okay so they very often will take out their 39:48 problems on their living descendants because they have the strongest genetic connection and they are not even doing it consciously perhaps they they get 39:54 angry that anger anger will be felt with whoever is the living descendant of that uh being and what does the living 40:01 descendant do to get rid of there are rituals for this okay there are specific places where you have to go and do you 40:07 cannot do these rituals at home okay the specific places where the right kind of Shakti or power is there for example in 40:13 nasik is one of those Shiva temples where um certain kinds of ancestral 40:19 problems can be solved I mean the panditjis there the priests they know this then the various other places one 40:26 of the biggest places Kashi you can go but you not you can go also these kind of things are there without giving the 40:31 name of the movie and the reason I’m not giving the name of this movie is because that was the whole plot of the film okay 40:37 um they actually begin the film with the main actor trying to talk to his wife and she’s just pissed off with him she’s 40:44 not listening Etc and over the course of the movie the main actor realizes he actually died and he’s a ghost and he’s 40:50 trying to interact but she’s not picking up on his presence and he’s taking it as why are you upset with me right is this 40:56 the reality of that plane that sometimes when your ghost you don’t even know that you’re a ghost and you’re trying to 41:01 interact but no one’s interacting with you uh I initial stages it might be there is a 41:08 sense of shock in fact one of the brother Disciples of Swami Vivekananda he had written a very beautiful book 41:13 called in Bengali I read it life beyond death or something like that in English translation so he mentions this 41:19 sometimes death can feel like you are like right now you’re here suppose there’s a devastating earthquake that 41:25 happens everything is flattened all the people you know are gone whole building is crumbled and you just next like you 41:31 are sitting here around said next moment you see that nothing is there so that kind of shock and Devastation that will 41:37 hit you sometimes death hits like this to some Souls and then it becomes very difficult for 41:44 them to recognize or uh or accept the fact that they are not in the physical plane so they will try and find out 41:50 people or try to communicate or something like that they’re not ready to accept it what are we as living beings 41:56 in their eyes that depends on who you are speaking about that 42:02 you tell me so so if there is a normal uh isn’t uh 42:08 is an entity that is stuck somewhere after some time the realization does come to them that they are not in the 42:13 physical plane Etc but if they’re stuck and I’m talking about only those who are stuck those are progress that’s well 42:20 enough so they are going to cause disturbance to you try and block things for you and things like that basically 42:25 they’re trying to draw your attention attention to the fact that they still have unsatisfied desires uh it’s like 42:32 assume that you suddenly tomorrow you don’t have the physical body but you still feel hunger what are you going to 42:37 do it’s a terrible state you are hungry but you don’t have a body you can’t eat 42:43 various things like this so the rituals entail that in in in you know Dharma we 42:49 until that uh we offer pindathana rice balls and other mantras specific food 42:55 items on this specific tithies of departed ancestors uh things like that we do is there in a lot of cultures is 43:02 there a lot of Asian cultures were offering food to that yes um when we speak about these horror movies 43:09 or hauntings cases of hauntings are we talking just about Buddha or it could be 43:14 it could be there are more dangerous than that it’s called the preetha which is very angry type of spirit before we 43:20 head into that Preta section you mentioned a very uh cool story about tulsidas meeting hanumanji do you think 43:28 that that’s where the Hanuman Chalisa was created no I think the Hanuman Chalisa came in later on but definitely tulsidas ji got full blessings of Lord 43:36 Hanuman or because of that blessings he was able to produce such a superlative ramcharitmanas it’s the amazing text but 43:44 it was definitely the blessings of Lord Hanuman was there okay um why do you think the Hanuman Chalisa has 43:50 this antique host power Ah that’s because of this answer will again deviate from the 43:57 central theme of your discussion that’s what it’s about yeah so certain deities are there in Dharma who have two 44:05 specific propensities their excellent as protected date is Hanuman Lord Hanuman is one of them bhairava is another 44:11 certain deities are there number one number two they respond faster 44:17 certain deities are closer to the Earth plane then they respond faster hanumanji is one who is an immortal who’s never 44:23 given up his body so he’s here in this plane so he will respond to your pure please faster than others specifically 44:29 on certain areas now if you ask hanumanji I want to become the richest man on Earth you may not get that 44:35 because his domain is strength Power Protection all these things instant you’ll get that if you have devotion is 44:41 correct okay same for Lord bhairava also he’s he also protects very fast 44:46 on the other hand if you have to call Lord Shiva the Shiva swarupa Mahadev he 44:52 is in his samadhi it will take you nine ten lifetimes of calling before he responds he will be aware that you are calling but he may not be bothered to 44:59 answer so easily wow that is precisely the power of Hanuman Chalisa it’s a wonderful thing 45:04 there’s so many sadhanas that can practices that can be done just with the Hanuman Chalisa really let’s talk about 45:10 endless things let’s talk about this because there is a lot of young Indians who are very into the Hanuman Chalisa 45:16 including myself including sanjit like superb thing superb means superb thing 45:22 in fact in uh in in I’m talking from the uh from the tantric perspective also so 45:27 Hanuman ji is considered uh Lord Hanuman is considered in the tantric perspective is also considered as one of the 45:34 protectors okay with the viras there are 52 Vedas okay Veer means there are powerful entities who protect an area 45:40 any area it can be and there are these viras are modeled around the primary devathas so there is Hanuman Veer 45:48 their worship is very popular there is nursing who is basically on Lord narasimha which is the Vishnu Etc so uh 45:56 you invoke Their Blessings uh 46:01 whether it’s a disease related negative entity whether there is a spirit related negative entity whether something else 46:07 if you keep doing Hanuman Chalisa with faith properly and there are sadness means suppose 46:13 suppose you want to you know just for 40 days somebody decides that I want to do Hanuman Chalisa so you every day you sit 46:21 and do at least 51 54 times 100 times Hanuman Chalisa it will take you one two hours but if you’re fluent will be very 46:27 fast you do this you maintain certain basic rules syllabus is one of them required for getting a higher experience 46:33 of Lord Hanuman because he was the Honda brahmachari okay and you uh offer some 46:43 Etc and after you finish your uh hanumanchal is a recital say 54 times 46:48 100 times calmly sit down and meditate on the name of Lord Rama do this for 40 46:54 days you will have a transforming experience what do you mean calmly meditate on Lord Rama do you just say 46:59 Rama Rama just that name power of the name is superlative he is 47:05 hanumanji remains in this plane because he promised that as long as there is a name of Rama here he will be here 47:11 okay and he is one of this best protected deities is the reason why he 47:18 is so popular in response so fast in my opinion as I said I have seen people who are more devotees of Lord Hanuman than 47:25 even of Lord Rama okay though Hanuman is considered as a bhakt of Rama 47:31 precisely because he remains in the physical plane he has chosen not to leave this plane and go and that is why 47:38 he is very fast If he if is pleased with a devotion if he’s pleased with your call and you are in trouble some of the 47:45 blessings and the beauty of it is that they are Gods so they don’t have to physically come to you from wherever he 47:50 maybe he can still get you protection just one blessing from you and he’ll be protected it’s like an armor armor 47:57 absolutely okay protection from prathasachas uh 48:04 yeah so I had a very deep seated fear of the dark when I was growing up and 48:09 that’s a big reason I was drawn even more to the Hanuman Chalisa especially 48:15 when I would say that I would you know I have I mean obviously I’ve learned the Hanuman Chalisa over the course of my 48:21 life but I began by reading it out of a book and when it was that line I would that’s the book to my head saying be 48:26 with me probably because I was always drawn to these topics uh throughout my life and they also say that when you 48:33 speak about these topics you’re actually inviting those energies near you so what 48:38 we’re doing here and maybe even the listeners listening they are kind of creating a sort of frequency that makes 48:45 them one step closer to negative entries my Outlook on this is one going with 48:50 faith in God uh and two uh when you have knowledge about 48:55 Darkness it brings you closer to the light that’s what I believe yes and the other thing is that in my opinion 49:02 generally uh so it is one thing to be aware that there is a presence of this hierarchy of negative entities there 49:08 because after uh so as I was saying Prieta is one of the most difficult more 49:13 Angry type of things beyond that there are other pishachas and all that those are very dangerous very very dangerous 49:18 let’s speak out Peters now so so pritas are basically very angry type of spirits 49:24 very angry they are completely they’re like you know having a mad dog tied up are they formally human beings uh they 49:32 could have been formerly human beings yes but they are in a very negative state where the karmas have been so uh 49:38 Twisted that they are in a very negative State and off and on they may even be uh 49:43 entities who have indulged in various kinds of negative practices maybe criminals very good passed away or yeah 49:49 tantrix who use uh very violent kind of deaths very violent kind of deaths like what 49:56 would be a very violent kind of well suppose somebody uh has an accidental death at a very young age okay or 50:01 somebody commits suicide or something like that uh those type of uh very non-conventional violent and dangerous 50:07 deaths can often end into making that Soul into a prata and therefore there 50:15 are specific rituals done to calm down the pratham in the family it has to be done by the family in which family he or she was 50:22 born okay lived otherwise they are going to definitely cause trouble okay all sorts of trouble what kind of trouble 50:28 first of all they can bring diseases uh they can cause if you’re trying to work 50:34 something they can cause obstruction and they can cause accidents also to family members one of the things you’ll see sometimes 50:41 if it’s a very negative entity negative kind of whatever you try to do they’re going to cause an obstruction and things 50:47 will start turning negative you know whatever your effort is it will instead of producing the right result it’s going 50:53 to produce a wrong result and you’ll see that out of the blue things are happening even after your best effort 50:58 suddenly there’s something it’s like like uh you may even feel that perhaps it’s not your destiny like weirdly uh 51:05 you know strange negative and occurrences happen at a very close frequency and even that is not a final 51:12 sign that it is you will have to still take advice from somebody who’s capable in these things to to tell you even 51:19 judging of horoscopes can jyotisha can tell you if there is a problem from a prata and things like 51:26 that how do you know as an everyday human that you’re coming in contact with one and moreover you know again when we 51:32 speak about these hauntings when you go to a house and some things are troubling you like they’ve shown this in Conjuring 51:37 and that whole Conjuring movie series as well but those praitas uh I haven’t seen the movie so I can’t 51:45 exactly comment but many of the air so from our perspective many of the negative entities that come in their 51:50 culture would fall in some of these categories of prithas or Max to Max they 51:56 may go up to categories of pisachas I feel okay okay because beyond that 52:02 the entities that come in they are very they’re so they don’t beyond the 52:09 um so the other thing the pishas are also very dangerous extremely dangerous it’s like a mad Bull okay complete mad 52:14 Bull can the prathas cause physical harm as well yes absolutely so many things 52:20 they can cause diseases this that Etc accidents scratches on you very negative yes uh perhaps but this is 52:29 more see these this is not exactly like a science so science means everything is perfect 52:35 in the sinsky only a Preta can do this no it depends on how much power how much negative power it has in it okay but 52:42 there are entities higher than that we can do okay can these things enter your dreams yeah definitely that’s the place that can 52:49 cause a lot of harm yeah that’s why very higher order yogis sometimes don’t sleep they are it’s not 52:56 possible for ordinary people but there are people who may spend 12 years 20 years never sleeping okay 53:02 pass through a very haunted for lack of a better word place can things stick on 53:08 to you yes why would they choose you over other people it’s not about you it’s just that you’re 53:14 passing through there so you’re there at the wrong time at the wrong place but there is nothing wrong anywhere so that 53:20 means that you must have had some karmic link with that entity some lifetime that is why you are there at that particular 53:26 place at particular time uh to end up in that negative state with respect to that 53:31 entity and what’s a stupid way of inviting them to you oh there are so many ways 53:38 there are some people who are very stupid so they think that they will do some kind of those uh you know those 53:44 plus other Spirit calling see answers are all to not even step into those zones you don’t know what you are 53:50 calling and you will know it at a very late stage if at all something comes in and they come in very easily by the way it’s not that difficult if you keep 53:57 practicing for few days will start happening not at all that difficult but my point is this do not enter into this 54:04 zone out of curiosity a either you are one of those people who 54:09 are like an exorcist then enter into that but that is formal proper trained 54:15 in entering which is very different it’s just like you are entering into an army you don’t you can’t just say that tomorrow I want to go to the you know 54:21 Army and start fighting so they make you go through training process so somebody who’s an exorcist knows how to protect himself what needs to be done Etc and 54:29 perhaps his Destiny is that he has to enter into that field for other people straight away do 54:36 Persona of the main date is know how to protect yourself in case there is an overlap interaction sometimes that 54:41 happens that is the best an average human being can do because the dark is also very powerful it doesn’t end here 54:48 if you go if you keep going you will eventually face lot of problems and uh 54:56 not only you everybody connected to you so they have this thing by the way uh to 55:02 cause trouble to you one of the easiest things is uh to your family people who are close they connect your father 55:08 mother wife girlfriend of his friends Etc somebody else gets into trouble you’ll obviously get affected you are a 55:14 family member you are living in society you are connected to so many dots here even why how many will you protect that 55:20 is the thing with these things so have a basic idea of protection and that idea of protection cannot come until you 55:27 first do basic you start to pass then only all these things problem with 55:32 people is that they want these things but they neglect the primary root of this spiritual tree which is the the 55:38 person of the date is in the way it is to be done okay uh also so uh 55:46 they are more dangerous than uh pritas they are most likely entities who never 55:54 incarnated many of them okay some of them did which is what is known traditionally as Brahma pisacha brahmap 56:00 is basically somebody who is highly knowledgeable in these spiritual matters Etc but somehow they either misuse that 56:07 knowledge or did not give it or became greedy or something like that holding holding of knowledge uh not giving it to 56:15 one who is fit for it so the text Shasta does not tell you that randomly give the 56:21 knowledge to everybody uh but somebody who’s fit for it and not to and still not the knowledge is passed on and 56:28 nature then there’s a holding of knowledge and the hoarding of this vidyas then such entities can such 56:34 people can become what is known as Brahma they began as human beings they began as human beings but they’re very 56:39 Advanced human beings not ordinary human beings okay they’re people who are top class super sakas in their life okay and 56:46 then there are other of these entities which are not human at all which were not they’re very dangerous they are 56:53 by and large the average conception and the imagination of war is negative in 56:59 the world all falls in this category only they’re like mad Bulls 57:04 they will just attack and attack and attack things like that then there are various types of in there also there are 57:11 various types of things there’s something known as some people do version of that also uh 57:16 known as just like pishachas are there something else Pisha chili It’s a female form of the Vishal 57:21 which is some people do passion of that so they will come and tell you in your various things that are happening 57:27 okay but catches that there they uh they can 57:34 so if you’re doing a higher upasana you cannot do these things the moment you start chanting they will 57:41 not come near they don’t like the vibration of those mantras whether the Shiva Vishnu Durga 57:47 Etc immediately they’ll go I believe this is what we call Gins as well so uh 57:52 now I’m I don’t know fully but I have some idea of what the jinns are a broad 57:57 term to use the wide range of things from Buddha to everything they call fall under the Gin category in my 58:04 understanding of uh what genes are and um they’re there definitely there are 58:09 ways to counter them work is ways to counter just like the uh protection I am not talking about 58:15 anything else that you know fighting them you know not to go into that domain and pick up a fight that’s stupid 58:21 but self-protection is very much possible and self protection both for these entities as well as from jinns and 58:27 other things very much Possible only thing is there’s certain differences in the way it is to be done where are they 58:34 oh they are they are confined to domains they will not they will not be in a room like this 58:42 can roam around they are confined to specific areas that have extreme negative energy 58:50 uh extreme negative energy very dark settings very fill the settings very 58:56 often they will be surrounded with extreme kind of foul order 59:01 okay these are there various other things those are experts they’ll tell you more things but these are some of 59:06 the primary things a recurring foul order which you cannot find a source from which means that you your house is 59:12 next to some drain or something some drainage leak is happening now that you know where it is coming from you can fix it but their presence often brings about 59:19 a complete foul smell in that area okay and they are extremely negative they’re unreasonable irrational you cannot uh 59:26 those entities you cannot um talk to or judge what’s their interest in human beings uh influence 59:34 getting things done in the world everybody likes attention it is their way of getting attention 59:40 possibly also because they’re confined to that one place that is there but also it’s like spreading your uh uh power 59:49 power or influence so if you have power how do you know that you have power unless you executed you don’t know your 59:54 power so it is their nature to cause these kind of disturbances if you are unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity 1:00:01 or enter into that zone and remain unprotected so one thing that I picked up from this 1:00:06 whole peshaja conversation is that angle of influence um what does that truly mean for the modern 1:00:16 city human or the material life-oriented human and are they 1:00:21 human beings in the world today who are rich famous successful powerful as a result of them listening to these beings 1:00:28 uh I can’t say yes or no because I don’t have any direct experience of I hardly 1:00:33 know anybody who’s that rich so the question does not arise for me but otherwise um 1:00:40 in theory it is you cannot discount it but then I don’t have any direct evidence to say that you know the rich 1:00:46 and the famous somehow the other are engaged in any kind of practices that have made them that 1:00:52 on the other hand there is a wide amount of popularity of this the occult aspect 1:00:58 of Tantra where you can influence things uh by specifically two classes of people 1:01:05 one engaged in politics and the other in films 1:01:11 you wait you’re talking as a general thing all over the world uh India I’m 1:01:16 not even outside of India I don’t know I’m talking about India and that’s because why 1:01:22 um some of the maximum so in in technically we call this as prayogas means an application of a power 1:01:29 there’s nothing negative in it it can be for anything so you are somebody’s sick somebody messages [Music] 1:01:36 something like that I do some Japan for him okay that just a simple to the deity 1:01:42 I worship that please cure that person against you that’s an application of power but their technicalities involved more this is giving a simplistic 1:01:48 understanding but there are more details understanding so this thing happens across India across India and all 1:01:54 temples certain places it happens much more than others namakaya it happens a lot uh ujjain it happens mahakal Temple 1:02:00 a few other places it happens a lot uh because I keep going there for my upasana or my own practices I keep 1:02:06 traveling to various temples so I get to see them so uh these two broad classes of people get these kind of prayogas 1:02:13 done very often uh either not only for positive aspects which means that to 1:02:18 boost their career and things like that but also very often to remove enemies from the path or side track of various 1:02:25 things so they do the full full scale of it where does karma come into 1:02:31 play karma is always waiting it’s but the thing is that human beings are like that we if the 1:02:37 greed is like that we want it right now karma can well we’ll see when Karma comes we’ll see like that so there is 1:02:43 this you know the beautiful uh question that yudhisthira was asked um by yaksha yaksa is a kind of higher 1:02:50 positive being yeah okay in the lake in Mahabharata various questions were there very famous then he asks that what is 1:02:57 the greatest Wonder in the world says that every day we are seeing people dying yet everybody believes I am not 1:03:02 going to die um well this is how you operate in the world okay so same with Karma I just let me 1:03:09 get this done first Karma will see later okay okay um I mean when you use these things for 1:03:16 your own material ambition there’s no free lunches in life right what’s the outcome you are paying some price yes 1:03:23 what is the price you’re paying so the question is I’m taking say I’m assuming 1:03:29 your question for from positive point of view positive when you’re using it for career progression key 1:03:35 um you know matara come to me and give me more money what are you paying in 1:03:40 return first of all at any given point when we are praying to the deity as I said in 1:03:47 the in the I think the previous episode I mentioned that all kinds of avichar or Blackmagic start from the human heart 1:03:53 okay the moment you have the desire that XYZ has to be done Etc and then uh then 1:04:00 you go and execute it in a more in a manner that has higher chances of success that’s all the the process is 1:04:06 showing it is not making a moral judgment it is not even taking responsibility of the karmite is your karma okay you make a mistake and you 1:04:13 will do now uh karmic repercussion is always there for everything there’s no doubt about it one is that you worship 1:04:19 the deity 1:04:27 and then you pray to her there is no no karmic 1:04:33 consequence of a prayer you can pray but remember one thing you 1:04:39 are the one who is praying the one who will grant the prayer has complete right to reject your prayer also if that is 1:04:45 there in your mind you are free no problem but the moment you want no I am not satisfied with the prayer I need an 1:04:52 exact execution of this result and there are methods of doing that also there’s not uh our our Dharma is brilliant it is 1:05:00 given absolutely stunning methods D to Z depending on where you are so there will be a consequence of that 1:05:07 some payment somebody is very sick somebody is having a trouble uh somebody uh having a specific problem and to 1:05:15 remove that problem say another individual does prayoga of a of a very 1:05:20 powerful mahavidya one of the most powerful popular mahavidyas 1:05:26 results also come but some consequence this person will have to face whether he gets an injury he gets some issues at 1:05:32 the other because the balancing of nature will always happen the one way to get out of this which is very difficult is that you first attend 1:05:39 to a connection with one of the your ishta devatha and you do a prayoga not for smaller 1:05:46 material gains it’s only when there’s a permission from the deity deity says that you can do this 1:05:52 then you know that he or she is going to take care of the karma it’s not your headache your your job at the highest stages of sadhana your job is to blindly 1:06:00 follow what the devatha is telling you but higher stages initial stages you don’t have any contact you don’t understand only what the rate is trying 1:06:06 to say but yes I have seen some people who are very good in helping others and 1:06:11 they’re doing positive things by the way okay somebody is sick somebody’s not getting a job somebody has a lot of loans things like that and they do 1:06:17 normal upasana of their deity and they try to help those people help also happens miraculously help happens but 1:06:23 there is always a karmic payback on their own lives always either they will fall sick or 1:06:30 something or the other um these things happen I mean this is the way it is there are no free lunches in 1:06:36 nature once you understand that then the intelligence is to know that can you 1:06:42 handle that Karma before even entering into that somebody’s throwing a ball at you one of my gurus is to somebody’s 1:06:48 throwing a ball at full space first you know that can you hand hold that ball it should not be the case that just to help 1:06:55 somebody you only end up in the you know Dire Straits in the worst conditions there’s no intelligence in that yeah so 1:07:01 you understand who it is that you’re trying to help what kind of karmas that person is and whether you can sustain the impact 1:07:07 of it okay okay mentioned in Mahabharata as well right 1:07:13 same thing same thing only thing is that they are very unlikely to come today directly back when they mentioned 1:07:20 bakasur who used to eat yes food as well as human beings it was in a physical form in a physical form and not some of 1:07:27 the surahs were not even physical also it may have been at a time when a very ancient time of the rishis see uh they 1:07:34 used to come in the physical form when the human beings were of that caliber today if an Asura were to Incarnate 1:07:40 there’s nobody will be able to stand no human being has that capacity only yeah and I’m talking about not just you me 1:07:45 I’m talking about the people who are the best Saints even they can’t handle their power they have such a raw power you can 1:07:51 imagine the story of the asuras when the Devi Mahatma if you read which is a text of MAA Durga and she’s fighting 1:07:57 mahishasura the battle goes on for 100 years 100 years she is fighting is this an 1:08:03 astral battle consider it an astral battle that happened before uh humans of this era populated but uh had blessings 1:08:11 from God so he became very very powerful and uh and then the goddess had to Incarnate to destroy what do you mean 1:08:18 before humans of this era populated so what I mean to say is that 1:08:24 so the society as we know it today so it is possible that the time of the rishis 1:08:29 were very ancient I cannot say positively one way or the other but in the sense both in the physical features 1:08:36 as well as their spiritual physical emotional uh stamina and strength and 1:08:43 capacity was far more than ours okay also the population was far less I mean if you look at the population of the 1:08:48 world we are at one of the peak times there’s been I think from mid 80s because of certain advancements 1:08:53 population graph has gone just like this okay population graph goes like this so 1:08:58 there are own consequences of that but we are talking of an era and specifically this mahishasura and all 1:09:04 that perhaps would have happened at a time when only a Selected Few rishis were there not even the average people 1:09:11 like this okay there’s millions of years ago possibly I don’t know I can’t fix the timeline okay 1:09:16 but let’s say that but the good part is that suppose you are a great upasaka you can experience that battle even today 1:09:22 of the great God oh yes the greatest person that but these that’s why we say 1:09:30 that the activity of the gods are Leela Nila means it’s a play even when they’re 1:09:36 destroying the Asura they are creating an energy stamp so powerful that thousands of years six thousand seven 1:09:41 thousand years ago by remembering that story you are getting spiritually benefited 1:09:47 very science fiction oriented question but is it also a way of saying that very high levels of sadhna allow you to time 1:09:52 travel uh time travel in Watsons is there multiple senses no I I want to 1:09:58 understand what was in your mind when you say okay friends time travel x-axis Y axis z-axis 1:10:04 three dimensions time fourth dimension okay so uh time travel in the sense physically time travel yeah uh I don’t 1:10:12 think I have no idea actually I don’t think that’s possible okay but uh knowing what happened at a very ancient 1:10:18 time accurate knowledge even if you were not physically present that is possible okay it’s very much possible okay uh 1:10:25 in 2022 I don’t think frankly I don’t think that 1:10:30 there are any actresses here because I don’t think that they have uh so they 1:10:35 will not incarnate in this plane their power is way too much and asuras are even more but they they don’t incarnate 1:10:41 in this plane like that they’re extremely powerful extremely one we 1:10:46 cannot even imagine they’re like a god just like a devatha only in the negative sense 1:10:52 okay but they can influence people their influence is very much possible they can 1:10:57 influence the minds of people and do various things and from the plane they’re setting in yeah yeah that they 1:11:03 can do in fact some people believe now I I can’t either vouch for it one way or the other some people believe that one 1:11:09 of the things that Lord Krishna and Arjuna Arjuna was that caliber upasaka also it was not just a fighter it was a 1:11:15 great practitioner by the way so they ensured that the asuras do not get physically born 1:11:21 because they knew that the Kali yoga people don’t have the power to take that so they ensured that the surahs don’t 1:11:28 get physically born here other actresses don’t come here physically but the influence cannot be stopped so there is 1:11:34 always a choice you have you want to follow that influence or not okay um there’s a difference between the two but 1:11:41 yeah asuras are have a higher IQ let’s put it this way you cannot argue with an Asura also it 1:11:48 will tell him one scripture will tell you 10 scriptures you will tell him one logic he is a master of logic he’s a 1:11:53 master of the intellect he’s a he’s a being who has exceptional intelligence he’s a being who has tremendous but 1:12:01 remember this thing they are not atheists they are not nastikas they they don’t believe that there is gods they 1:12:07 fully know that there are gods but they want to do their stuff and Gnostic or what I tell a non-believer is 1:12:14 at the lowest rung of the person he’s the one who denies reality which is fine I’m not even asking him to change what 1:12:19 his ideas but Asura is not one who is who does not believe in uh the Divine and does not believe in the presence of 1:12:25 the deities he is a terrific exceptional practitioner he has got that powers and 1:12:31 then he misuses it Powers he’s fully aware of all the Realms he knows what his occult he knows everything he’s equally confident and equally Adept in 1:12:39 the material rational world as he is in the spiritual realm how does he expect that he will like Escape Karma 1:12:49 uh I don’t think they look at karma in the way we do first of all because the 1:12:54 other thing is that they live in Realms where time moves very slowly our realm time moves the fastest which means that 1:13:01 Maya or or the or the or on enveloping of the mind or attachment let’s put it 1:13:08 this way you get attached to something it could be anything Etc so this happens very often in our plane but at the same time 1:13:14 progress can happen very well faster in this plane in few lifetimes you can progress you can go down also few left 1:13:20 hands but in those Realms time is very slow so there so in fact some of the asuriks some of the stories of the 1:13:26 asuras uh like coming back to mahizas was incarnated three times now by the 1:13:33 way there’s an interesting thing about maisasura say that maisasura was an amsa was a part of Lord Shiva 1:13:40 see the player that’s how our culture looks at these asuras they say that when the Great gods are involved 1:13:46 that is because at the immediate level there is a fight that is going on but the impact of that is still going to be 1:13:53 positive for the whole universe so Maisha Shiva says that how do I show to 1:13:59 the world the power of the Goddess so he incarnates gives the blessing a part of him not fully little bit of energy 1:14:04 projection and emanations from Shiva comes bonds and gets born in the family of an Asura he does tremendous tapasya 1:14:11 because without that power of Shiva he cannot do that kind of the person gets blessings that he cannot be killed by God he cannot be killed by human being 1:14:17 everything he forgets he mentions everything only thing he forgets is to add a woman okay so that one thing is 1:14:23 then used later on three times he gets killed not once three times in three kalpas three cycles of creation he gets 1:14:29 killed by the goddess Durga and in fact there’s a beautiful section where myself 1:14:35 would actually before his in the second kalpa we call it the three culpas of death second kalpa when Durga manifests 1:14:44 and he he’s an upasaka by the way he he’s not he’s not asuras are not 1:14:49 non-believers by the way they know the reality of these things they know fully so he knows in his meditation he sees 1:14:55 that he’s going to die and he sees that who this great power is this goddesses okay and uh he goes into Rapture and 1:15:02 Bliss and he tells the Goddess that I don’t want anything okay I am completely your 1:15:08 devotee okay I don’t I know that this is meant to happen I don’t even want anything I just want one blessing from 1:15:13 you that I should get offerings in the young girls so your guys are done for 1:15:19 the gods okay asuras you cannot give any offerings to them 1:15:28 has come by the way all these stories she says to him that I cannot do that 1:15:34 because if I do that it will completely turn the balance of the world Dharma will completely get rattled because the 1:15:40 yagya offerings can go only to the gods he said but I’ll do something for you I’ll give a blessing so that whenever 1:15:47 there is Durga upasana happening it has to be shown in that posture where her leg is on the Mahi sasura and she’s 1:15:54 killing him and during the Durga Puja that actually happens in the mantras one Mantra is given to the Asura also he 1:15:59 says that by this act you will remain Immortal till the time there is Durga pasana that happens among humans and 1:16:05 then what she does she puts a veil on his mind so that he doesn’t remember this conversation so that he can fight with his full force because if he has 1:16:12 this knowledge that he is who is he will not fight he is meant to die okay and then there is this whole battle 1:16:18 that happens and she kills him and that story till now is inspired and navratri 1:16:23 and everything that we do it’s so beautiful so that when you go to the Karan jagati all this good bad Etc all 1:16:29 get balanced then there is no in our Dharma there is no one single Satan Divine kuchni nothing yeah wow you know 1:16:38 how uh young people say I’m trying to build Legacy in the world well even Asura say that yes 1:16:44 time immemorial and when we’re celebrating yeah somebody remembering the Asura also 1:16:50 as a devotee of the and we our our second conception is that anybody who 1:16:56 dies in the hands of the great gods is liberated by the way 1:17:01 whoever in fact not just in in the case of this we see in the case of the Shiva purana when Shiva is destroying and 1:17:09 Shiva andaka is one of the asuras who has created very powerful etc etc and there’s a lot of battle and beautiful 1:17:14 description in the Shiva purana how shiva’s whole Army is going with Shiva okay the ganas and things like that Etc 1:17:20 at the last moment in the battle he pinsula and he lifts him up okay and Shiva at that time has become the energy 1:17:26 of bhairava the fierce form there and then in that condition the Surah is begging to him is saying that Lord I am 1:17:32 your devotee okay and that State uh then Shiva is kind he says that okay you will 1:17:39 become a devotee you will become one of my Gunners the people who are hanging out in around Shiva so that is a kind of 1:17:46 Liberation that is a kind of uh kind of mukti a freedom you know 1:17:53 um again do you think that there could be 1:17:58 possibly billionaires or world leaders who are being influenced by these I I can’t say one way or the other I can’t I 1:18:05 really can’t say there is a possibility uh but one thing is there wealth has a corrupting influence 1:18:12 huge amounts of wealth average amount of wealth is fine but huge amounts of wealth extracts certain prices whether 1:18:18 it comes to health or something else or something like that wealth does have a suric influence on it and this is not my 1:18:24 word this is in those writings huge amounts of wealth not ordinary well the ordinary wealth is perfectly okay but 1:18:30 extreme amount of wealth when it comes there are always certain asurik influences that get tied with it what 1:18:36 are asurik influences uh Asura is trying to influence the environment for example if you have huge amount of wealth you 1:18:42 have to protect the wealth you have to end up doing certain things which are not normal or which you’d normally not 1:18:47 do and there will be places where you will do something that is adharma which is you know incorrect unrighteous 1:18:54 something negative things you’ll have to do the moment you do one you’re you are opening the Gateway so uh 1:19:01 there’s a belief that huge amounts of wealth can also have certain amount of 1:19:06 acidic influence can it attract asuras whether it attracts the surahs or 1:19:11 whether they go and find yeah maybe uh 1:19:16 I don’t know exactly but yeah a huge amount many obscene amount of wealth I’m not talking about ordinary wealth okay 1:19:22 the amount of wealth does involve negative practices and we we negative practices I’m not talking 1:19:29 sorry not talking about tantric practice and all that I’m saying that some of the other negative karma is there that gets 1:19:35 involved just to maintain that wealth as a protection in fact you’ll see very interestingly that we worship 1:19:42 um mahalakshmi for wealth right mahalakshmi well so Lakshmi is not only wealth she 1:19:47 gives a sense of prosperity of well-being inside that happy space that you call about and use in today’s language she’s the one who controls it 1:19:54 so you may very well be a beggar in the road but if you have that happiness inside it is her blessing that gives you whereas there are beings who control 1:20:01 wealth specifically okay very specifically your controllers of wealth uh certain kind of reactions and all 1:20:07 that they guard those wealths very ferociously you will have the wealth and the condition that you will you cannot have 1:20:13 your peace of mind this is the deal with the devil thinking that this uh I don’t know about that I’m 1:20:19 not I’m talking only from our perspective because I unless you study that properly I can’t do a comparison 1:20:24 you mentioned that gandhar was and yes take birth in human form and then become excellent at something that they do yes 1:20:31 like maybe great music composers great musicians great artists yes yes great 1:20:36 what else uh depends great people of excellent knowledge in certain Fields 1:20:42 sometimes can be am I speaking to one statement 1:20:52 so but uh that’s possible uh very often beings and 1:20:58 not just and all that being some higher Realms also can get born by the way okay even even in today’s day oh yes even if 1:21:06 the karma is like that then for what purpose it could be various things uh sometimes 1:21:12 there may be something left unfinished to finish that off some karmic thing 1:21:17 there could be sometimes that some desire was there for something that needs to be fulfilled or sometimes it is 1:21:24 for as I say local which is that for the benefit of humanity uh somebody of of 1:21:29 the caliber of lahrimasha was the founder of Priya yoga it’s an amazing caliber cinnamon we can’t even imagine 1:21:34 why would a being like that I mean I am damn sure that he must have attained to his high States in past births only why 1:21:41 would he want to come down that is because this play can be created with Babaji and him so that this knowledge 1:21:47 comes to the people and even if five people are benefited that’s good um do these beings know that they are 1:21:54 those beings when they are in their human form mostly don’t they don’t mostly don’t 1:22:01 and what is the nature of reality no they will have to go through the process as I keep mentioning so moment 1:22:09 you’re born nature is going to cause a filtering in your mind so you will not remember the past okay you will not remember the past and 1:22:18 just like any other person you’ll have to be work through the whole process like anybody else but because of your 1:22:24 samskaras which is the tendencies that you have gathered through your past practices they will drive you into those 1:22:30 zones or these areas those practices once you start doing that nature will cooperate with you because you have done 1:22:36 these things in the past and there’ll be an unraveling in fact a good eighty 1:22:41 percent of the spiritual path is just recovering what you might have done in past after that 20 new will start 1:22:50 portsmen possible I’m just guessing when I I it’s not that I know everything about it but 1:22:57 this is the broad idea okay um one last question for you sir on this one 1:23:03 where does space come into all this the cosmos what’s out there according to Tantra according to Hinduism what’s 1:23:10 actually out there and I’m not specifically asking about aliens here uh generally I mean 1:23:16 if you actually just study the size of space obviously there’s other life forms out there there’s no way we can be the 1:23:23 only one that’s arrogant to think that way etc etc but is there a role that space plays in Maya and Tantra in all 1:23:30 these things when we’re talking about are there other planets which also have astral Realms that are home to these 1:23:37 beings I believe there are other planets that will have various kinds of beings who are spiritual in their way we may or 1:23:43 may not know about it and I think some of the references do come to us in our scriptures also there are multiple not 1:23:49 only multiple cycles of universes but there may be other beings it’s not a about it uh space uh there’s a famous 1:23:57 dictum that goes in yoga brahmandu or yeah whatever is there in the universe 1:24:05 is also there in the body now take it in the other since whatever is happening inside your body all these things that you say recognize that I have a physical 1:24:12 body the national body of a current Sharif that is reflected in space also 1:24:17 um fully reflected in space so this whole domain of the astral where all 1:24:22 this good bad etcetera going on okay and it’s beautiful also by the way I still no need to take it as a negative sense 1:24:28 were some of the greatest pieces of art have come from the astral plane Inspirations from the astral print 1:24:33 beings who inspired people to create some of the greatest pieces of art legendary art art that is stand stood 1:24:39 the test of time for centuries after centuries those all come from the astral planes 1:24:44 so there is this domain there are mantras in The Vedas and the other places where they will tell you about 1:24:50 the there’s the space then there’s the antariksha and all that so this is a correlation to what is happening inside 1:24:55 you there’s up to a domain is there in this space for example uh and I’m not putting so many kilometers and all that 1:25:02 reference where the astral plane exists where the thoughts ideas emotions 1:25:07 feelings good bad everything of human beings and all the animated entities are passing around okay you go beyond that 1:25:14 they silence Zoom everything is silent do the gods 1:25:21 exist yes the gods exist in fact in a very unconventional way 1:25:28 the one we worship as time what we call time the personification of 1:25:34 time the one who controls and holds time in his body is mahakal Shiva almost a form of Shiva and one who controls and 1:25:42 holds space is Vishnu these are the two entities so the more 1:25:47 you go it is like if you if you go into vaishnava theology you’ll see that 1:25:53 there are Realms of vishnu’s para Vishnu para Brahman who’s greater greater greater greater greater greater Realms 1:25:58 from there he projects his Divine incarnations every cycle when there is a 1:26:03 balance that is lost in this plane okay so once you go to those realms is do the 1:26:09 great Gods play their role absolutely they’re still there there’s no doubt about it in that space and specifically 1:26:15 uh the concept of space I feel is very strongly linked to the personification 1:26:22 of the of the of the of the deity of whom we worship very strongly is Lord Vishnu 1:26:28 this is my conception I’m not arguing about it yes or no somebody doesn’t 1:26:34 believe it that’s perfectly fine I’m not even imposing it uh the other thing is that this has a link to the upasana now 1:26:40 space may be whatever it is most people if they go into space they’ll go crazy there’s no sound nothing 1:26:45 you have to live with yourself that’s the most dangerous thing in the world so you you have to be you are alone 1:26:53 but not lonely that’s the difference if you force somebody into being alone two days later they’ll be lonely lonely 1:27:00 means you are craving for company somewhere the other is there no problem that’s for that’s fine that’s normal that’s human 1:27:06 but once you are you go into that zones you will know that there is also the possibility where you are swast you are 1:27:15 you are satisfied in yourself you don’t need the single you don’t have to see the face of a person and you will not go 1:27:21 crazy about it you will remain that same yeah perhaps you’ll not speak you’ll have to speak so much and then you will 1:27:27 have to but it would be a very Blissful existence it’s a different matter altogether but it it’s possible I’m not saying 1:27:33 everybody will do it and everybody should even try many people I know will go completely nuts if they are put into an isolation kind of thing but sometimes 1:27:41 it helps in upasana Sri aurobindo when he was put into jail in um 1:27:47 solitary confinement only the text he had was the bhagavad-gita and day in and day out history did not this face of a 1:27:53 person uh he could see nobody the month he stayed in there and during that state 1:27:58 he had tremendous experiences of Krishna and to the extent that that is like a transformative state that happened for 1:28:04 months he was he had no human contact solitary confinement in that era in British jail 1:28:10 is like strictest thing possible okay no human contact nothing absolutely no 1:28:16 human face day after day after day only one text he keep kept reading the Gita over and over and over and over until he 1:28:22 had a complete transformation and he had an experience of Krishna where he saw a state of advaitham Oneness with Krishna 1:28:29 he saw that everything has become Krishna even the Jailer has Krishna even the judge was sitting as Krishna even the even the jail the rods of his energy 1:28:36 Krishna okay and then he comes out a completely trans he’s a saint comes out from there so uh space 1:28:43 has a link to this is the outer space there’s another 1:28:48 space inside okay yeah that space uh it’s very difficult to explain that but 1:28:54 if somebody enters into that space there is that is where the Divine the deity will 1:29:01 stay invoking the pranas okay inside the human body the most Divine part is only 1:29:08 two one is deep inside the heart deep inside mind you not the surface the surface heart has all sorts of emotions 1:29:14 desires likings disliking dislikings it’s the emotional body it’s useless behind that deep inside somewhere in the 1:29:21 yogic process somebody goes very deep uh you will attain Enter space 1:29:26 very different that’s like a space where the gods can play that’s pure enough to hold the deities but devatha will not 1:29:33 come into a place that is not pure it will not even touch that space and the other is domain this is where we 1:29:40 have in yoga called the Vishnu granthi you open that’s not it’s a guardian not of 1:29:45 it gets pierced by Shakti Kundalini call it or whatever 1:29:50 else you want to call it a Consciousness it’s Pierce and then you experience something Divine Indescribable Bliss 1:29:59 gives you Bliss in the long run I’m not saying everybody who’s doing is attaining to it then 1:30:05 there is rudra is here something [Music] um and not opens up and you enter a space 1:30:13 you go beyond time he’s the controller of time maybe access to higher dimensions 1:30:20 it’s not even higher Dimensions it’s yeah higher but this is the highest Dimension this is the domain where even 1:30:26 the world is all this we talked about this they also don’t have permission to enter those puzzles and if somebody has 1:30:33 activated either of these two either this is more difficult by the way to to open the rudraganthi and 1:30:40 experience that to open the Vishnu granthi and experience that space inside that individual 1:30:46 ever protected he can stand in the middle of 100 asuras they will not even dare touch him 1:30:51 because that protection is very different I have a thousand more questions in my head and I’ve got a strong intuition to 1:30:58 stop maybe it’s just for saving content for later maybe it’s because in this piece only 1:31:04 this much is meant to come out um I know all my questions and I can’t see them you know so I don’t know what we’ve 1:31:12 done today sir Trilogy has come to an end uh I don’t know how do you feel about this 1:31:18 it was wonderful it was wonderful this is what is satsang speaking of the Divine 1:31:24 it makes you feel elevated that is what the Saints used to say satsanga go to 1:31:30 Good Company listen to good things it will Elevate you yeah 1:31:35 um and it’s happening on kalber of jnd yeah this is a very auspicious day very very 1:31:41 auspicious day and may the blessings of Lord wherever we with everybody who listens to this podcast yeah uh thank 1:31:48 you so and looking forward to speaking to you again feeling a lot of calm Namaste thank you 1:31:55 that was three-part special on Tantra and the Occult and now you’re as blown away as I 1:32:02 was on the day that we recorded this one imagine having these three conversations 1:32:08 on the same day my head was spinning at night it was just too 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0:00 so tantra’s idea fundamental idea was that the things that make you fall in 0:06 normal religion whether it’s meat whether it’s alcohol whether it’s sex Etc which is the standard idea is that 0:12 these will make you fall so let us divinize those processes so that they become the means to which you can attain 0:18 to the Divine and that japa is that Mantra Japan is not no it’s not a one minute thing it’s not a two-minute thing 0:23 sometimes texts will recommend that you have to chant a mantra which is so long that may take you 30 minutes 35 minutes 0:30 how do you last for so long till the Mantra is complete there cannot be a release there cannot be an orgasm 0:37 in order to do that there were techniques that were added so that you can hold back the orgasm both for the 0:43 specifically for the meal while you are continuing the Mantra Japan so the primary aim is if you’re not doing the 0:48 Mantra Japan if you’re just having sex and practicing those techniques it is useless it has got nothing to do with 0:53 thunder sadhana whatever else you are doing that is hey guys so lately under any podcast 1:00 that we’ve uploaded on the channel you guys have demanded for more episodes with rajashi nandi this particular 1:05 episode was recorded the day after we recorded the original Blockbuster Trilogy if this is the first rajashin 1:13 and the episode you’re watching and I’m sure there’s many of you out there like that please go see the trilogy first 1:18 ideally if you’ve already watched the trilogy this one is sort of an extension it’s 1:25 more specific to tantric sex when people hear the word Tantra lots of people all over 1:31 the world think of sex along with Tantra Tantra is basically a set of techniques 1:37 a set of practices a set of disciplines that originated out of the subcontinent and they’re primarily meant for your own 1:44 spiritual advancement tantric sex is simply one of the techniques amongst a 1:50 horde of other Tantra based techniques I’m not going to talk too much about it I will let rajashi nandisa explain it 1:57 further all I’ll say is that our meditation app level super mind is now live if you want to begin your own 2:03 spiritual journey if you want to take it further if you want to dive into your own subconscious mind we’ve uploaded 2:09 some extremely deep meditations on level super mind it’s linked down below make sure you check it out and make sure you 2:16 follow TRS on Spotify or Spotify exclusive every episodes available on Spotify 48 hours before it’s available 2:23 anywhere else in the world this is the Superstar of TRS who returns once again 2:29 to give us another Blockbuster episode this is the tantric sex special with 2:35 rajashi nandi 2:42 [Music] 2:54 nandi sir welcome back to this video Namaste there’s a lot of people who are 3:00 watching you on the show for the first time because of the thumbnail right uh the word Tantra for a lot of westerners 3:07 is something synonymous with spiritual sex that’s how most of the international 3:13 uh spiritual Seekers understand the word Tantra to begin with but tantras like 3:19 the alphabet and sex might be one of the letters in it it’s such a wide subject 3:24 it’s not at all synonymous with sex but in saying that 3:30 um this entire episode will be centered around the spiritual aspect of sex 3:36 um what would you like to say first and foremost uh I hope that through this podcast we 3:44 can clear certain misconceptions about it also because with anything that becomes too widely and easily available 3:51 outside of context there’s always going to be a lot of things that may or may not be the part of the actual process so 3:58 maybe we can do that also yes there’s a lot of books which use tantric sex in 4:04 the title but if you actually open the book it’s activities that you do before 4:09 and during sex which are said to enhance sexual pleasure it’s supposed to 4:14 increase the intensity of the orgasm uh it’s supposed to create a deeper connection between you and your partner 4:19 it’s supposed to allow you to get multiple orgasms there’s even techniques to not ejaculate when you orgasm as a 4:27 man right but the thing is those books never talk about the origins of Tantra as a whole now do you want to address 4:34 the sexual topics first or do you want to address Tantra as a whole first let’s go so Tantra as a whole just very 4:42 briefly it’s a very wide uh range of methods of worship of deity but the most 4:49 important thing that you have to remember and this example that you gave this is so typical of this uh the first 4:55 thing that we must remember is that Tantra is a method of upasana it’s a method of worship so it is not about sex 5:02 it is not about meat it’s not about alcohol these are props that help you but they are not the end they are not 5:08 the goal the goal has to be in mind so the goal is to succeed in the upasana of the deity okay again some context for 5:15 first-time listeners basically the goal is evolution of your own mind towards 5:21 towards what some people believe is called God or the higher power or the deities or the deities yeah uh now in 5:28 terms of what are deities so deities are in our system the way we look at it 5:33 deities are as good as Gods we don’t believe in one God we believe there are multiple gods that’s all each God is a deity you know in Pokemon how they have 5:39 Pokemon like they throw up that’s a lower form it’s like a pet that fights for you imagine that you have higher 5:45 forms of these which are above you okay so I’ve seen that but I can’t relate to that example because I don’t know but 5:51 yeah more or less very simple definition is that there are some cultures that believe that there’s really one God we 5:57 believe that there are many gods and each of them are omnipro omnipresent omniscient omnipotent that’s all some 6:04 could be Shiva some could be Krishna some could be uh the goddess of various forms of the Goddess Tantra more or less 6:10 relates more to the worship of Shakti which is the goddess forms okay um Hinduism also believes in parabaram 6:16 which is that one universal God yes uh which is the god that the whole world knows there is however one small 6:22 difference the Brahman or the para Brahman that is called in vedanta it is absolutely neutral which means that it 6:29 does not care much about you it does not Hindus never made a temple to the Brahman Hindus don’t have a ritual to 6:34 worship the brahmana it is like the Fate the concept of faith that was there in the ancient Greek religion which was all 6:41 most like our sort of not same but kind of multiple deities forms were there so 6:46 there is a power that is higher but it is very neutral it does not care whether you worship it or not it is not even 6:51 asking you to do anything there is no way you can worship it no Hindu no Rishi ever actually made a temple to the 6:57 brahmana you can worship the deities and the deities will interact with you they 7:02 embody the power of the Brahman the Brahman is a very neutral principle who worships the Brahman a sannyasi which 7:08 means one who has left the life completely he worships the Brahman why how does he do it by meditating on it 7:15 why does he do it so he gets that neutral perspective of life it is not going to give you anything else you 7:20 cannot worship the Brahman and say you can worship in our context you may worship Lakshmi mahalakshmi and say that 7:27 I need some money my financial condition is not good you can worship Lord Shiva and say that I need a cure for a disease 7:32 a sannyasi is a Hermit someone believes the material world right but you’re saying that within the material world 7:38 first of all one of the goals of Hinduism for the material world is get done with your material desires so that 7:44 you can move on to spiritual desires yes but while you’re stuck in the material world these deities help you progress fast spiritually or materially both both 7:51 aspects both aspects of that okay but the Brahman is not like that so you cannot pray to the brahmana and say that you give me a good you know uh some 7:58 money I need some a cure for a disease I need or I I you cannot even pray for Moksha it doesn’t care whether you exist 8:05 or it doesn’t care whether you worship that is a huge difference between the concept of God As We Know It that comes 8:10 from the West versus the idea of God that we the Brahman that we believe in that comes in vedanta the other texts 8:17 fascinating um okay now let’s begin talking about 8:22 the sexual activities that we spoke about and maybe one precursor is that a gist of some of the stuff you spoke 8:28 about in our first episode is that Tantra is like a path yes uh the general 8:34 path for every single human being is spiritual progress right going closer to Evolution correct because this is not 8:40 our final form right right being a human now you can progress by meditating you can progress by praying Tantra is like 8:47 you’re taking a car and going on that same road where most other people are walking right uh and then there’s 8:53 different types of cars depending on the kind of Tantra you follow right including aguri which is a common in a 8:58 term that a lot of the West understands you know the Babas who are supposed to be famous for eating human flesh that’s 9:04 one of the aspects in their life they follow set of rules which is like driving a Formula One car uh on the same 9:10 road right excerpts from a Hindi vodkas which is also fantastic coming back to this conversations yes uh now I will let 9:17 you shed some light on the tantric sex aspect yeah because most people look at tantric sex as a tool to improve their 9:24 sex life so this is uh this is like uh so where does as we were discussing in 9:31 the last podcast so this whole concept of tantric sex or sex for that matter comes in at the level of vamachara 9:38 Tantra where it’s as I mentioned there’s a level that’s called the vamachara which is the left hand path in left hand path you start offering meat you offer 9:45 alcohol you offer fish you offer mudra and you offer sex and this is at a very high level of high level after you’ve 9:51 done a lot of the lower levels yes so more in fact um 9:56 it is to say that you to pick out sex out of these five things we call this technical 10:03 is the Pancha Makara five M’s okay so uh to pick out just one aspect out of it 10:08 and then uh to believe that this is going to improve your sex life Etc is also is equivalent to saying that okay I 10:14 just take out that neat offering part of it and uh perhaps uh that that’s a way to increase protein intake in my body so 10:21 that would be that ridiculous so the aim that’s what I said the aim of the process of the whole 10:26 process of everything that is done in Tantra is worship of the deity it has to be very clear and firm in your mind so 10:33 long as something is helping you in worship of the deity and it is within the permitted rules of 10:40 tantri kupasana we call it the practice it is allowed for you okay but the aim 10:45 has to be clear that it is for the worship of the deity it is not for pleasure it is not for any other kind of indulgence it is not going to make you 10:52 Superman or anything of that sort so having said that sex is also one of 10:58 the things that can be offered to the deities but there is a process to it it 11:03 is not normal sex and it requires certain amount of preparation of Mantra upasana which means the chanting of 11:10 mantras of the deity and chanting of Mantra is not just one twice so so Tantra looks at it this way uh you have 11:17 an ishta date is God you are worshiping the form of the mother that you are worshiping and you may have to chant 11:22 lacks of mantras of the deity not even one two lakh some texts will tell you 5 11:28 10 15 20 lakhs of the month is hundred thousand hundred thousand yeah of the Mantra that you have obtained 11:35 from the legitimate Guru through a tantric initiation okay now suppose uh so Tantra was never 11:44 originally a path of the sannyasis though various sannyasi 11:49 sects later on adopted Tantra because it is very powerful its techniques are powerful it it adopted those parts which 11:56 did not violate with their sannyasi code which means that they did not take these aspects of Tantra they took the right 12:02 hand path which is called the dakshinachara that is also Tantra so tantra’s idea fundamental idea was that 12:08 the things that make you fall in normal religion whether it’s meat whether it’s alcohol whether it’s sex Etc which is 12:15 the standard ideas that these will make you fall so let us divinize those processes so that they become the means 12:21 to which you can attain to the Divine okay and in this one of the most legendary tantric uh acharyas in fact he 12:29 is almost is beyond an acharya is one of the greatest North yogis he was known as 12:35 matsindranath he used to live in kamakhya okay and he uh he was born somewhere in Bengal and his he practiced 12:43 his uh and he composed a lot of text on 12:50 on these aspects of Tantra yogini sadhana and bhairavi sadhana Etc so 12:58 the fundamental basic idea at what primary level of where sex is used in 13:04 Tantra is that the partners have to be first of all initiated into the process both both it 13:11 cannot be one person both so by a guru by a guru definitely by the same Guru it 13:16 can ideally is the same Guru okay ideally if it’s the same Guru in fact the guru not only does initiate but he 13:22 also ensures if if these are if it’s a husband wife partner Etc so they will initiate that it is the same form of the 13:29 deity that is given to them this is also where we should mention a word of caution because this is where a lot of 13:35 people might misuse their position of spiritual power yes that’s there that’s another aspect yes do you want to shed 13:42 some light on that but first let’s complete this thing so Guru initiates both the partners are 13:50 in any case both the partners must have the tantric initiation okay that is mandatory number two they must be doing 13:56 their Mantra sadhana properly which is the Mantra japa of the devatha deity that is like doing a Seva to the Seva 14:01 means a service to the deity and the deity by the way in in once you go higher into Tantra sadhana it is uh the 14:08 average conception of the deity that we look at is the murti in temples wonderful that is there that’s what the 14:15 public but for you the Mantra is the deity for an individual who is into the 14:20 tantric path the Mantra that is given to you okay whatever is the Mantra that Mantra is the date it is like the subtle 14:27 body of the deity as we were talking about subtle body and physical body so the Mantra is the subtle body of the 14:32 deity astral body astral body sort of that and when you are chanting that Mantra you are trying to connect to the 14:38 subtle body of the deity now fundamentally what this process entails is that uh when uh both of these 14:45 Partners it doesn’t just happen you know it’s it’s not like something that you just go ahead and have sex no this is a 14:51 Puja that has to be done specifically there are monthly that is to be done and then there are certain mudras certain manners in which they have to sit in 14:57 certain postures Etc um and during the course of having sex 15:03 they have to keep chanting the Mantra of the deity and that japa is that Mantra 15:08 Japan is not no it’s not a one minute thing it’s not a two-minute thing sometimes texts will recommend that you 15:14 have to chant a mantra which is so long that may take you 30 minutes 35 minutes how do you last for so long till the 15:20 Mantra is complete there cannot be a release there cannot be an orgasm in order to do that there were techniques 15:26 that were added so that you can hold back the orgasm both for the specifically for the meal 15:31 while you are continuing the Mantra Japan so the primary aim is if you’re not doing the Mantra job and if you’re just 15:38 having sex and practicing those techniques it is useless it has got nothing to do with thunder sadhana whatever else you are doing that is not 15:43 Tantra sadhana again another tale of caution this is why tantric healers tantric sexual 15:49 healers it’s all of ours yeah more or less I mean I would not I’m 15:56 talking about the Western tantric because actually you keep it in the Instagram bios and all yeah if you’re 16:01 going to one of them just be careful you I don’t know why they add Tantra to it because more of them most often there is 16:07 no Tantra involved in it it’s just some some uh you know sexual techniques and all that you can package it in any name 16:13 this is what gives spirituality a bad name yeah uh but it’s fine whatever but uh if it is done correctly both the 16:20 partners are of that say of that similar caliber so there are more rules in this some of them perhaps cannot even be 16:27 spoken of without so they have this uh rules are there that these certain certain esoteric aspects of this uh 16:33 sometimes it is referred to for example as panchama panchamma means Fifth Fifth means you know that it is talking about the fifth of the five offerings which is 16:40 sex basically okay so panchamma sometimes when you’re talking about the Pancham offering Etc there are many rules of how to judge the partner 16:48 yes just by observation so when you are worshiping the goddess 16:54 for example there are thus 10 mahavidas are there okay leaving us at one of the mahavidyas mahavidya is the goddess 17:00 great wisdom the the tantric goddesses forms of the 17:05 Goddess that each represent a different form of wisdom yes okay and and the mahavidya worship is tantric okay so 17:13 leaving us at one of the mahavidas for the other mahavid there’s there is this dictum it’s believed and it’s not to be 17:20 mindlessly applied that every woman has some of the other influence of these 17:27 10 goddesses Every Woman whether she is aware of it or not is irrelevant why not 17:33 every man ah that is because women are considered as a representative of Shakti 17:38 men are considered as representative of the purusha Shiva Shiva purusha purusha 17:44 is Shiva Krishna can also be a purushottam I was just mentioning yesterday and that’s it 17:49 that’s another topic okay skip that for now because it’ll divert it into another 17:55 and that’s also beautiful um all of it is beautiful I mean there’s no part that is not beautiful so women 18:01 are considered as a representative of Shakti okay now uh this statement 18:07 however cannot be Mis used out of context which doesn’t mean that every woman that you meet you have to fall at 18:13 her feet no then you are getting it all wrong okay this is only relevant to somebody who is doing specific sadhana 18:21 specific Worship in the tantric method and has reached a certain level okay otherwise in a normal context when you 18:27 meet whether a man or a woman in the normal rational way that you interact with them you interact with them that’s all neither good nor bad doesn’t mean a 18:33 thing now if you are that kind of a person who has had a tantric initiation and is a tantric and has done certain 18:42 sadness practitioner so he’s a practitioner correct the practitioner has the right 18:48 initiations and most importantly has done the practice properly it’s very important there are people I know who 18:53 have lot of initiations no practice that also will not work it’s useless that’s like you’re hanging 10 medals around you 18:59 but inside there’s nothing so then by looking at the woman you will 19:06 know that which of the mahavidyas she represents which of the forms of shakti’s in latent 19:12 inside that latent Insider that’s one thing latent means that most of them are not even aware and which is perfectly 19:17 all right just like most men have but that doesn’t mean that every man is Lord Shiva or Lord Krishna it doesn’t work 19:23 same way not every woman has anything to do with the deity there is the potential for one if the sadhana is correctly done 19:29 that potential can awaken if that woman Becomes self-aware of what she holds with it then she becomes one of the 19:36 bhairavis and yogiris in the higher levels and then everybody will fall at the feet of such a woman that is very 19:42 rare and it’s possible and it happens um there and it’s very high level idea 19:47 but uh in this uh upasana the other thing is that it 19:53 breaks certain mental taboos that is there in the normal course of upasana and the way they got standard we are 19:59 told that you have to maintain a certain degree of celibacy which is uh which is right which is I’m not denying that in 20:05 certain practices celibacy is very important otherwise it will not work it will not show you the result 20:10 um it it causes a break in concentration more or less one of the typical effects of uh you know not having celibacy is 20:17 that it causes a break in the concentration at the peak moment when you are supposed to have 110 focus on 20:24 the Mantra in the deity that is where thoughts and images of uh sexual encounters will rise up and it happens 20:30 from the chitta within it rises up and it rises up and it is going to break your concentration you will not get the result is the core of your soul it’s 20:37 like your mind it’s a part of your mind it’s it’s like that place inside you where Impressions happen all the time 20:43 subconscious mind conscious mind only but it’s latent just below the conscious mind you’re meeting somebody you’re 20:48 anything whatever activity you’re doing it is it just collects an impression of it okay and randomly throws up just like 20:54 that when you’re not thinking about it suddenly especially specifically if you’re not trying to meditate it’s going to throw up all sorts of images it 21:00 happens to everybody okay okay coming back to the topic of conflict sex so basically 21:06 this practice is done during the time of this sadhana during 21:11 the time the the woman is actually to be made to sit in a specific posture and monthers have to be chanted all over our 21:18 body and uh I will not go into the specific details of how this is done and what mantras also everything is is as 21:24 per it’s not something randomly done these are things that are mentioned in text and passed down through traditions 21:29 of those traditions where these forms are worshiped specific forms of the mother the mahavidas are there for whom 21:35 this sadhana is extremely potent okay uh you have to know number one number two uh there is a knowledge of uh what kind 21:43 of a partner is suitable for this the somebody who has uh through Mantra 21:50 sadhana there is an intuitive ability that develops just by looking at the person you’ll get to know what kind of 21:55 result is going to happen and this thing by the way extrapolates it outside of the tantric context also the reason why 22:01 there is a certain amount of control over sex is always advised in the spiritual path because when you have 22:07 unrestricted sexual encounters with people you do not know what karmas they have done you are going to imbive their 22:13 energy that is the easiest way to take in somebody else’s energy is that Tantra believes that if you have sex with someone you don’t know you’re saying I 22:19 accept this person’s karmas as my own not just Tantra any way it will happen is the easiest way on the other hand 22:26 if this process is correctly done and the right people are there it is the this one this when you are doing it as a 22:32 practicer spiritual practice not just for enjoyment Etc spiritual practice it has the power to instantly open up all 22:40 the chakras in your body which could be dangerous no it will be it can lead you then and mind you everything is going 22:46 perfect I am talking about the uh the result that it finally produces if everything is right it will lead you to 22:52 a state known as mahabhava samadhi which means that you are in a state of absolute Bliss rapture 22:58 extended orgasm no it’s way beyond that you will have a vision of the deity it 23:04 will be in a state of samadhi means basically your mind becomes absolutely concentrated on the deity and there’ll 23:09 be a manifestation of the radiant it is a state of unbelievable if it’s correctly done and the progress that 23:16 will happen between the two partners together it is it’s like it doubles your power 23:22 probably also get connected to your car partner more deeply that is there that’s a side effect of it that is also there 23:28 beforehand which means that this process is anyway not going to work if you have not had the same partner for many 23:34 lifetimes just like that if you meet karmically somebody it’s not going to work out it will just be a relationship 23:39 and two days later you’ll have some fight and reach will go its own way so I’m assuming that the guru who 23:45 actually initiates both the partners into this uh will ensure that either they are husband and wife or 23:52 so here is uh in this age today mostly it has ensured that it’s a husband and 23:58 wife but there was an uh there is another tradition older tradition that used to happen and those are there are 24:04 certain as where 24:11 so they’ve left Society Hermits kind of Hermits yeah maybe basically they’ve 24:17 left Society so they’re not part of a formal Society they only practice and they’re connected to the Mandalay 24:23 mandeli means group that specific group who practice in their uh marriage is not specifically 24:31 there free out of free will they decide the both the partners decide and the guru 24:38 decides whether they have the capacity for it okay here is the thing what is the what is the level of the male 24:44 partner and what is the level of the female partner and the specific terms that are used for the male the term that is used is bhairava and the female that 24:50 the term that is used is bhairavi okay so whether the bhairava and the bhairavi are matched for this kind of a practice 24:56 and then they can stay together for something could be months could be years Etc then they may even go out in the 25:03 sense that you know Pathways in the sadhana so this was an accepted idea in tantric circles earlier when there used 25:09 to be more of people who used to leave uh Society normal society and practice entirely in India I remember an anecdote 25:17 I had read and that’s a not an anecdote actually it’s a very it’s a true incident there’s a beautiful text in 25:23 Bengali it’s called which means that 25:28 is somebody who is curious about Tantra sadhana country processes that kind of 25:35 an individual he goes out in search of sadhus who are 25:40 of the tantric persuasion and he interacts with them and this gentleman spent 12 years roaming around 25:46 India trying to find these kind of people here later he came back home and later he had 25:51 gone to Sri aurobindo and then he wrote that book and that book is a cult classic only thing is that it is in 25:56 Bengali those who have read it it’s it’s it will blow your mind it’s the one of the greatest books I’ve read so there he 26:03 had an interesting encounter he mentions he comes from a traditional Vedic family so he is suspicious of Tantra he 26:09 mentions right at the beginning he thinks that there is some this is you know some kind of Jewel to use the very typical Mumbai language like some kind 26:16 of fast he doesn’t believe that this thing actually leads to anything he’s very skeptical he’s very honest that 26:22 he’s skeptical about it but he’s still curious to see and it’s perhaps his destiny that he gets to meet a lot of 26:27 great tantricas of that era and he was an artist by the way so all he used to carry with him was a pen and paper and 26:34 whenever he used to meet somebody interesting to make a sketch of that individual okay so he goes to a place called Walker in Bengal Walker is one of 26:42 the oh ancient Shakti betas of an important uh divine feminine 26:47 Temple yes I’m having to translate everything because we have so many American and European viewers but I got 26:53 your back go download my meditation app I’m kidding so so he goes to vakrishwar that is one 27:01 of the very famous and Powerful uh temples of uh of the Goddess okay or the 27:08 tantric temples and it was that in that era the temple was famous for virajar 27:13 sadhana viracha is an extreme form of Tantra sadhana where these things come into play viraja Veer means you are like 27:19 a hero vir okay by the since we’re talking of classifies men into three categories 27:26 first is pashu an animal who is an animal who has no spiritual conception just going around doing whatever else 27:32 you are doing in life you are a pursue after you have the tantric initiation and you start doing your practices you 27:38 become a Veera you are a hero because you are trying to fight against your Tendencies and develop yourself 27:43 spiritually it and then last stage you become a div we are a Divine being okay this is the three categories of men 27:50 whole of Tantra sastra is meant only for the Vira but the pashu who is uninitiated at the initial stages there 27:57 are no you do The Vedic sadhana you are not even you’re not even entered the arena the Veera after you have the 28:02 initiation then only all these rules all this Makara everything comes into play and finally the Divine the Divya he also 28:09 has no rules why because he has already become Divine whatever he does is correct so Tantra says that you don’t 28:14 mess with him and the pursue you don’t bother about him it’s only the middle section that I am curious about and bother that Temple is famous for 28:21 viratara and this gentleman goes there and this must be in early 1900s maybe 1910 or something I don’t remember the 28:27 year Etc so uh people tell him that in The Cremation ground and The Cremation ground still exists by the way and that 28:34 cremation ground is so interesting uh not advisable for people to just hear and Rush there but if even in the 28:40 afternoon if you go there you’ll have that certain Airy feeling there in that area so it’s wonderful place for certain kinds of personas certain kind of 28:47 tantric sadhanas and thankfully it is not yet commercialized so it’s good 28:52 here he goes there and he there’s a Temple of the mother goddess of MAA Durga is there and he stays in the 28:59 temple and the those days if there’s a Wandering monk that comes he used to wear that Hmong kind of dress so they 29:04 gave him some food and a place to stay and all that and somebody tells him that there is an agori who sits in The 29:10 Cremation ground so they just call him Baba they don’t know what his name is they just know that he has come from Tamil Nadu he’s come from the south and 29:18 he is sitting there and he stays there in The Cremation grounds and nobody disturbs him Nobody messes with him and 29:24 this guy gets very curious okay he’s curious he’s scared he’s also skeptical that all these things are some farce but 29:31 at the same time there’s curiosity also what is happening what is this Etc somebody tells him that aghori 29:37 as we were discussing eats once in three days and what does he eat he consumes 29:43 uh the brain matter of dead bodies with the rice once in three days the 29:50 Dome Dome is the individual who used to you know helps in the burning of the bodies yeah which is a whole other topic 29:57 by itself met some domes and that’s a whole it’s a society yes yes and they’re 30:03 supposed to also have tantric Powers the worshipers of uh so yeah so it’s there 30:09 yeah yeah so in that the Dome uh used to refer to him call him Baba and he used to get that that brain matter if you 30:16 have ever seen a skull pop in the fire it makes a sound and what’s the sound like it’s like 30:23 it’s like a cracking of the skull in the fire and then something will that that brain matter the GUI mask comes out Etc 30:29 to observed in a cremation ground anyway so he used to consume that once in three 30:34 days he was a hardcore means he’s gone beyond even the rules of Tantra sadhana also nobody used to mess with him 30:41 nothing but people used to River him very much that he is not an ordinary person he is almost he’s like become 30:46 he’s become wherever only wherever is the Lord of The Cremation ground Shiva in this form as bhairava is the 30:52 king of the commission ground nobody comes close to him he’s the one okay he controls everything there then one day 30:58 after few days he sees that and he is curious to meet the gentleman but he’s scared of the gentleman is he he’s 31:05 writing all this it’s the mix of emotions is going on okay he sees that the Lord of tantrics who have tantricas 31:12 have come to that place suddenly one day and from different far-off places and this is we are talking about pre-independence India so people have 31:18 come from Bangladesh there’s a lady who has come from Bangla present day Bangladesh there’s somebody who’s come from some other place Etc and he is 31:25 wondering that why they are gathering so he goes to one more friendly and approachable looking of the tantricas and says that why have 31:32 you come and he says that because we will be doing in Chakra chakra understands you know the highest pujas 31:38 in Tantra greatest of pujas okay chakra is like the ultimate of upasanas so and 31:46 the Baba has called us how did he call telepathically there’s no telephone in that era and 31:52 he’s sitting in a cremation ground he doesn’t even have anything so he telepathically calls them and they come start coming and those days they have to 31:59 walk and things like that so few months ago and Etc they’re Gathering Together and they have come all in partners 32:05 partners groups Etc and then there is a lady who uh comes from Bangladesh okay 32:14 so he is this guy he’s curious that he’s like asking but don’t you think this is 32:20 all you know whatever what good can it come out of all whatever you guys do Etc and the people are trying to convince 32:26 him you know you don’t know this you have not tried the path if you don’t know something how can you say that it’s good or bad okay which is the story of 32:33 most Catholics in the world yes So eventually the night of amavastya 32:39 comes amava says the new moon night completely dark completely dark okay and at night the chakra understand will 32:46 happen so what is the chakra understand chakra understand is a is called Russia mysterious worship the 32:53 term that is used is mysterious worship it is not to be done in public it cannot be even ideally the details of it cannot 32:59 be spoken of in a gathering where the people are not initiated into Tantra Puja so people will sit in a circle 33:06 and there will be a Karma of sitting there’s the bhairava and his bhairavi will sit wherever and his bhairavi will 33:12 sit his partner Shakti okay and there will be complete Synergy between the two by the way when this practice is 33:18 correctly done the two people will have such coordination one the partner of the 33:24 bhairava may be here and the wherever maybe 5000 kilometers away know exactly what this person is thinking and it will 33:30 be perfectly it’s not even as it’s not like by fluke once or twice some coincidence happens and we think that oh 33:36 something is happening no to test it the bhairava will mentally give a command something weird Okay so which is not you 33:44 cannot predict that thing something three to four times this test has to be done by the way is that a very far off 33:50 distance you will give a command she will register it in her head and do exactly that and that is how you know 33:56 that the coordination has been built to that perfection it is not to be left to a fluke and I 34:02 know that this may seem complete um Skeptics I don’t care this is what it 34:07 is you believe it you don’t believe in your business I don’t care so then 34:14 all this come together on the night and in Chakra as I was saying chakra you sit together in a circle chakra means a 34:20 circle together in a circle and there’s a leader of the chakra he’s known as chakrish for a lord of the chakra and 34:25 there is a chakrishwary his partner okay they are like Shiva and Parvati only in The Cremation 34:30 ground forms okay and um and bhairavi is his partner so uh they sit together and they do this 34:39 panchamakara upasana one after the other and 34:44 it creates a tremendous Crescent of power and the other thing that is there once 34:50 you once you enter the chakra once anybody enters the chakra you will lose your distinction of caste or any other 34:55 outside you may be rich you may be poor doesn’t matter as long as you are in the chakra you are all one only difference 35:01 is who has more Shakti than the other and there is a certain arrangement of sitting that is followed in certain 35:08 chakras and other things but I won’t go into all the details because not everything can be spoken of in public 35:15 but anyway the chakra understand is happening what I am talking to you is already written down in a text hundreds of 35:21 people have read it I’m just translating that story and once again because it brings out that element okay 35:27 um so this guy this author he’s very curious what is it doing so he goes into 35:33 the cremation ground and from a shrub in the uh you know forested certain areas 35:38 he hides himself there and is observing okay what exactly is going on so you see that they are sitting together in a 35:44 circle and then in the middle there is the Gori Baba who’s sitting on his left is that a lady that female bhairavi 35:52 would come from Bangladesh very senior who was there and the others were sitting in circles so this goes like this that the immediate left is the 35:59 Shakti of that person of that person and then the Puja starts Puja means first they will be 36:04 meet first okay so meet with mantras they will consume it they will pass consume pass and with every partaking of 36:12 the meat you’ll have to do Mantra Japan it’s not just a you know let’s sit together and have a feast no no no every 36:17 partaking you have to sit and do mantras affaste then there’s Karan the term alcohol is not used neither is madira 36:24 used the term that is used in tantris Karan because it takes you to the Karan Sharif purified Sanctified alcohol 36:32 that takes you to the Karan sharir and with mantras and all these things it has to be purified is not something you just 36:38 get from the market to understand the word current Sharif you’ll have to go back to a second podcast your body 36:43 consists of three parts your physical body your astral body and your causal body your astral body can be thought of 36:50 as your ghost and your causal body is your purest form of your soul which is just pure light now go answer okay so um 36:58 so he’s seeing from a distance that what exactly are they doing and he’s seeing with a bit of skepticism and curiosity 37:04 as it happens the more skeptical we are the more curious also we are what exactly is happening and he sees that 37:11 there is the meat that is being passed then there is a fish and then there’s the alcohol and then there’s the mudra 37:16 parched grains so there are certain um green dry grain stuff that we use for mudra and then there is the final punch 37:22 and he sees that uh the bhairavi the chakra was the leader of the pack the 37:27 agori and the bhairavi she sits in front she opens her clothes she starts is 37:33 doing Mantra Japan on her forehead on a neck on different parts of the body this whole process goes on for one hour 37:38 almost so he’s doing Mantra Mantra of the deity basically he’s invoking the 37:44 form of the mother God is inside okay of that Shakti of the power of the deity inside that is Shakti inside the lady 37:51 who’s sitting there in the and she’s also a tantric Lady by the way not an ordinary woman Etc and he’s observing 37:58 all this and he is also not sure what exactly is happening since Etc and then 38:03 after some time um and it’s it’s kind of dark it’s dark and he’s the the what he’s seeing is 38:10 through the there are lamps those days obviously you didn’t have that kind of yeah and that remote place so there was 38:16 uh Diaz or oil lamps etcetera lit in front everybody so the light of that lamp in the Darkness at midnight on a 38:23 cremation ground is observing this scene okay and then suddenly at the end of 38:28 this whole Puja process that is going on he sees that the Gori who’s the leader 38:33 of the chakra he sits and on his left thigh the lady who is also uh 38:40 she sits down and a specific mudra okay and he’s doing japa with this hand with 38:45 this there’s a Mala in his hand like this is and at that moment there’s a flash of 38:52 lightning in The Cremation ground a thundering lightning in the pitch darkness and that lightning 38:58 rips apart the darkness everything is visible at that time and he sees to his absolute shocking amazement that there 39:06 is no there is the chakra is not that is Shiva is sitting full jata there and there are snakes around him in his head 39:13 and there is a trishula and there is Parvati sitting next to him and he sees that in a fields 39:19 in that flash of lightning all he sees he writes down is that I can see that this is the chakrishoda is gone it’s not 39:25 there anymore this Shiva is sitting and this Parvati is sitting there in that 39:31 posture in that specific mudra we call it in specific posture and 39:36 there are snakes in his daughter as Shiva has snakes Okay and there is a threshold near him and there are beings 39:41 all around Etc Andy faints he wakes up next day in the afternoon 39:48 and he the Dome who used to be there uh Dome he sees when he wakes up he sees that the Dome is throwing water on his 39:55 mouth and all that the person that burns the body so he’s saying that 40:00 um [Music] while he was hidden there and observing all this the aghuri knew everything so 40:07 after some time the aghori called The Dome and said that that guy is there is fainted take him inside let him rest he 40:14 doesn’t have the capacity to take the power of this he doesn’t even have an initiation for again initiation he was a 40:20 very genuine individual very high caliber very very very high caliber so the kind of power that is generated for 40:26 a person who does not have that practice if he is there it is going to cause a shocking 40:32 effect on you as we were discussing in the previous podcast the moment you come into face to 40:38 face with the reality that is non-conceptual so you build Concepts in your head whether it’s skepticism I 40:44 don’t believe it whether oh this is a big Theory there’s God somewhere but he’s not coming here I’m safe completely 40:50 the moment you have an altered experience it breaks down your Concepts and you either run away scared from it 40:57 or you bow down a difference there’s no other rational way in which the mind can process an experience that is beyond 41:02 your ordinary you know what you are accustomed to 41:07 so he uh this chakrishwarya he knew that that guy was dead there’s no way he can know because he’s hidden there and he 41:14 calls this Dome and says that he’s fainted take him inside put some water let him sleep so next day he wakes up 41:19 and his his leg stunned at what he has seen and um he comes to this uheshwar 41:25 and says and this this aghori starts laughing okay and then there’s a 41:30 beautiful ancient ensuing conversation and says that everything in this material plane is divine it is not that 41:37 there is a God outside the god that you worship ishwara ishwari the Shakti the supreme power that we are 41:43 worshiping the Supreme mother God is that we are worshiping she’s here in this plane everywhere hidden inside even the things that you consider as uh as 41:50 impure things that you consider as filthy it is there even there inside that is the philosophy we have we have 41:55 even from the upanishads there’s a statement that sarvam khalidam Brahman everything is Brahman it is not saying 42:01 that there is a God outside and not here no we don’t believe only a transcendental God or a deity or an 42:08 ishwara the devatha manifests here in this plane also it is hidden there it is through the process that you remove 42:14 process of the upasana of the practice of you remove the veil and you have a direct experience of the deity so what 42:21 in this case the whole point of this story was that when correctly done this sadhana by the 42:28 right people who are actually practicing and who look at it not as some kind of an enjoyment and some Fringe activity 42:34 I’m doing and some you know whatever else they think they’re doing you look at it in the right sense this is the 42:40 nupasana this is a worship of the mother you look at it with the sense of reverence with that sense of 42:47 sacredness it has to be that sacredness has to be there and not just repeating sacredness ten times no no that feeling of reverence you when you go to a normal 42:55 Temple of any normal Temple of a deity you have faith on be it 43:00 hanumanji be it Lord Shiva with Krishna with anybody you have a sacredness and 43:06 sense of reverence right you go with the you don’t fool around there you go you fold your hand sacredness that 43:12 sacredness has to be there in this process for it to work because you are not just doing random actions this is 43:17 worship then this will manifest into a terrific spiritual state of absolute this is 43:24 mahabhav samadhi kind of state this is where you not only have a manifestation of the deity and I remember in the last 43:31 podcasts I think we mentioned that one of the goals of the Tantra sadhana and the other parts 43:37 is for the deity to be inside you samavesha is the term that is used not just a Liberation but you divinize 43:45 yourself completely okay so that there’s no difference between you and the deity as I will say so this is what it is he 43:51 that gentleman that aghori who was there whose name is also not known this incident he had attained to that kind of 43:57 a condition that when he was performing the ritual Shiva himself had entered into him 44:02 there’s no difference between him and Shiva now what mode is Liberation if Shiva if if a deity like Shiva comes 44:07 into you Etc that is Moksha this is Moksha this is Liberation this is all there is what about the people in that Circle 44:14 they are a part of it to uh spiritually Advance like I’m assuming it’s we spoke 44:20 about how tantric sex is a very big boost in your spiritual advancement I’m assuming that a ritual like this makes 44:26 it even faster yes and is everyone naked during the process yes uh not when the 44:32 Pancham Makara the fifth Makara comes in in fact uh very often uh after the four makaras are the four 44:39 Makara means after the meat fish etc etc then so each one can retire with their partner specific partners and perform it 44:45 in privacy perform the fifth ritual which is again they know this process so they know what mantras to be chanted and 44:51 how long Etc they can do it in their privacy okay um wow so many questions right now 45:00 why do these tantric sex techniques then work for the everyday human who reads it 45:06 out of books because there must be some power in them in those formats in that 45:11 technique that adds itself to an orgasm I’m asking from a very City person point 45:17 of view nothing to do with tantric practice uh so 45:22 there are certain techniques that work to enhance the uh you know the sexual 45:28 intimacy and pleasure and also but that is my so taking it out of the context is 45:34 a uh it has another Fallout by the way so if 45:39 you take it out of the context if you do these practices and just follow so the techniques that were 45:45 developed for example for for ensuring that an orgasm doesn’t come so easily until all the Puja and the anusthana ETC 45:53 is completed during the process Etc if you take it out from the religious 45:59 context where it is used in that sense you will end up becoming just the opposite thing that the 46:06 religion abhorse which is you will become sort of a miniature version of a 46:12 sex maniac you will not only flare up your chakras that control sex but you will go crazy 46:17 about it and if that’s what you want that’s fine fair enough be clear in your head please go ahead and do what you 46:22 want there’s probably some Neuroscience in this that your body will release excessive dopamine in that moment maybe 46:28 I I don’t know that I can’t comment on that but my my point is that the specificity of this is useful this is 46:35 useful as a technique only if you remember the context in which is to be used so even at the peak 46:41 of this technique when used correctly there is an orgasm but it’s it’s not an 46:47 orgasm it is an internalized orgasm but initial stages it will not show so for people who practice this actually in a 46:54 very very broad manner I’m defining it without going into more specifics so initial stages it is not going to work 47:01 that you will not be able to retain the orgasm but eventually as the practice deepens 47:07 Etc you are able to internalize the orgasm with a and it is at that Peak moment when the 47:14 Mantra attains maximum power without the Mantra all this is meaningless the Mantra attains power and the mantra 47:21 Mantra becomes what is known as you reach a stage a specific technical thing that is used in text which is called the 47:28 Mantra chaitanya which means the Mantra awakens it becomes an alive entity inside you Mantra is the deity that is 47:35 the moment your connection is built in a second I’m I’m sorry if I’m crossing a line 47:40 here but is it like when you orgasm in that ritual you have the vision of the deity uh more 47:48 or less but more or less but it’s not again just like any other ritual for that matter even a normal Puja Etc it is 47:55 not going to happen in day one it is to practice okay with the right partner and all the other settings being set in 48:02 place Etc but yes in that moment when the orgasm happens Etc uh 48:08 in fact one of the things that people were more keen on uh in those who are in this those who practice this kind of 48:14 persona specifically for men so that they can somehow uh 48:19 retain the orgasm or if possible even sort of you know go beyond the organs 48:24 not have the orgasm why that is because orgasm calls but at the moment there’s an orgasm there’s this basic fall in the 48:31 level of energy okay so one of the typical things that after an orgasm that can happen in general is that you feel 48:36 sleepy you feel a little tired so then you want they did not want that fall of energy at any state even during this 48:42 process so all these things that I’m talking about by the way makes only sense if you are doing the upasana if 48:47 you take it out of the context then it’s just whatever else you want to do I message your business how long is that 48:53 vision of the deity is it like an orgasm for like three four seconds the vision of a deity if it if it’s 48:59 properly manifests uh your conception of time will go away you that is what is called a samadhi samadhi means you enter 49:05 into a Zone where your normal sense of time your concentrated um a single pointed concentration on the 49:13 uh on the deity or the Mantra is so deep that you lose track of time 49:19 you lose track of everything I hear you um okay let’s make this conversation much 49:25 more basic because I think you’ve explained a very high level tantric practice 49:31 we as a brand often get criticized for highlighting the power of semen okay 49:37 um there is a movement called the nofap movement which is basically it’s a 49:42 worldwide thing where a lot of men have decided to retain semen why the Western 49:47 perspective is that Muhammad Ali Tesla all these people used to retain semen and they felt benefits of it 49:53 my opinion on it is that when you combine semen retention with yoga it’s 50:00 um more beneficial like that’s where the actual benefits of retainings even come through 50:05 uh please correct me if I’m wrong or if your opinion differs I feel like retailings even the practice 50:12 can become very frustrating especially for a younger guy when you’re a teenager full of hormones your system isn’t set 50:17 yet so maybe it’s not even a practice for everyone and in saying that every 50:24 single person whoever follows yoga whoever follows any sort of spiritual 50:29 path always highlights the power of civil and celibus even even when you’re talking about uh celibacy for women 50:37 um you know staying away from sex is highlighted as a positive thing to help you on your yogic journey where do you 50:44 want to begin this conversation from the last statement that’s because uh that’s correct so this is highlighted as a 50:51 spiritual benefit in my opinion it is uh and I’m mind you or my perspective of 50:57 all that I’m saying is only from the spiritual perspective of him not so uh outside of that context why somebody 51:02 wants to wants to retain semen or why not I have no interest and I don’t even know so I can’t even comment on that 51:09 movement what is the goal and name Etc up but there is a benefit to maintaining celibacy but it should not be taken to 51:15 the level that okay that is the final goal that if I maintain celibacy everything is going to fall in place no you are going to get complete nuts 51:22 you’ll be crazy there is a selective uh release and a selective celibacy that 51:28 has to be combined together so that it works out that is why our Dharma the Hindu Dharma says that there are four 51:34 goals with the average person’s life Dharma is one of them which is your sense of religion righteousness Etc uh 51:40 Dharma Arthur which is your money that you are not the prosperity comma which is your lust and which is your desires 51:46 and Etc and finally there is Moksha so if Kama was something that you should be completely rejecting out of it so uh if 51:53 you without karma there is no life in the first place okay so it is there it is the only thing that they are talking 52:00 about basically fundamentally is that uh like water to give a simple example 52:05 like water and like if you if that proverbial Newton’s Apple follows flows downwards because the gravity is going 52:12 to pull you down and things like that water flows from higher and to lower etcetera so if you indulge unrestricted 52:17 in sexual activities it is more or less going to pull your powers energy is down and you will feel as a lack of as I said 52:24 very simply speaking kind of tiredness any kind of spiritual practice at the 52:30 initial stages has to make you a little bit more alert energetic less sleepy in 52:36 fact one of the things that if you do a practice it is when you are sleeping 52:41 that is when you are most unguarded by the way okay initial stages so higher level yogis actually they try to 52:47 transcend even sleep very high level it’s I’m not again these cannot be forced so my viewpoint in celibacy is 52:53 that do not even force it but maintain a certain decorum and discipline in it don’t run around everybody and 52:59 everything that you feel like you know having a relationship with not like that have a basic Common Sense idea of how 53:06 much you can indulge and how much you do not and this idea is by the way this uh the way I’m describing it is not 53:11 something very unique or something I have thought about our texts will tell you that for a married man uh 53:18 to have a physical relationship with his wife is also celibacy hmm 53:24 nobody not any point are we asking people that you leave everything and become a sannyasi is this is there a 53:30 specific text oh this is the general idea of celibacy that if you are a married man in The Vedic Vedic system 53:36 why do you think the Vedic Karma Kanda rituals mandate that 90 of the rituals is barred 53:43 for an individual who is not married you cannot sit in a Vedic fire ritual proper Vedic fire ritual if you don’t 53:49 have legally married wife with you you have to buy it from it doesn’t matter how good your meditation is how much 53:54 yoga you can do and Etc and how much brahmacharya you follow you don’t have a wife you’re not married you cannot sit there do some spiritual processes start 54:02 only after marriage uh if you were to practice 54:10 yes but more or less marriage is a very balancing thing in my opinion uh and 54:16 it’s helpful in if if your partner is also you know of the spiritual mint of mind I mean obviously uh but coming back 54:22 no she’s not then you’re bad luck there’s nothing much I can say about 54:28 that uh so coming back to the point but there is 54:36 it is not to say that I am not again not to misconstrue what I’m trying to say I’m not saying that that means that you 54:41 have unrestricted uh you know physical relationships no celibacy has 54:46 its utility also it builds up certain power during that limited phase of time when you are following it so my 54:54 recommendation to people who are actually in the path of any kind of spiritual practices that and I I deal 55:00 more with people who are into the worship of deities 55:08 so suppose you are into an anusthana of a deity so you take a you make a 55:16 for 10 days or 15 days or 21 days so you follow limited period of celibacy during 55:21 that time the only reason is that when you follow celibacy and you do that 55:27 practice it helps building up power inside you however power is only useful if you have the 55:34 capacity to digest it if you don’t digest it one of the other things that happens for example you start doing a 55:39 lot of Mantra sadhana for any deity certainly okay with no practice beforehand you start four or five hours 55:45 of mantra japer today the first thing that you you are going to see after some days is the tremendous increase in lust 55:52 tremendous increase in Anger these are the two leaks to which the power is going to get out of you because your 55:57 system simply does not have the capacity to absorb it you can eat only that much food as much as your stomach can digest 56:03 other things are going to get vomited out this is the spiritual vomiting that happens you will end up having all sorts 56:09 of you know running around everybody physical relationships unrestricted and then anger unrestricted these two things 56:15 the balancing how much of a spiritual power a particular individual can take through the practice and how much of a 56:23 uh you know a physical relationship or any an anger by the way is equally dangerous it just in a second your power 56:29 whatever you have accumulated is also going to go out this is where the role of a mentor a guru is so important 56:35 because you will take a lot of time to figure out that what is it that works for you a good Mentor a good Guru who 56:43 can handle you and I’m not saying and I don’t mean that you know there are many organizations where you go and there are 56:48 1000 people getting an initiation and then after that for 10 years you have no clue where your Guru is and where you 56:53 are sitting at home and doing practice no I mean somebody who actually hand holds and guides you step by step sort 56:59 of at least and tells you that what to do and what not to do so there is no idea like this initially uh and it 57:06 should not even be encouraged that right now from this age become completely celibate forget everything it is going 57:12 to make you some spiritual Superstar nothing of that sort is going to happen what do you think of masturbation 57:18 same same same principle that happens in celibacy same principle so if somebody 57:24 is masturbating and he’s uh practicing some spiritual same thing there’s a 57:30 leakage of energy that is going to happen so whatever I talked about right now in the course of a physical 57:35 relationship Etc remove the word physical relationship add masturbation same thing there’s no difference it is not going to make any other good or bad 57:41 or anything and I’m not talking even for a moralistic perspective I don’t care what anybody does in their privacy but 57:48 um unrestricted yes definitely it is going to interfere with your process with your sadhana at a higher stage and 57:54 one of the biggest disadvantages of unrestricted sexual encounters or masturbation for that matter is that um 58:01 as I say in the peak point of concentration you should be like this when you are sitting for your Japan or 58:08 yoga or meditation or whatever at that Peak moment you should be able to forget the whole world 58:13 even if that is for two seconds then it is working for you what happens with unrestricted uh either whether physical 58:21 encounters unrestricted sexual encounters or excessive masturbation is that it is at that Peak moment that your 58:27 chitta which is the you know kind of the the mind that has Impressions it is going to throw up all sorts of images 58:33 and immediately it is going to break your concentration very minor thing but your practice is already gone 58:40 you can pretend to the outside world that you are a great Yogi and you are doing a lot of practice but your inside your practice is not working 58:45 so that is the problem on the other hand if you completely say that oh from today no no physical no sex no masturbation no 58:53 nothing you have to become I don’t know what uh two days you’ll go crazy neither is Mantra is going to work neither the 58:58 practice is going to work neither this is going to work so that balancing is important and we live in that kind of an 59:04 age where to sell a toothpaste you have to put two skimpily clad women on the advertisement where is your celebrity 59:10 going to come from yeah the society we live in stimulates us to shoot a load off that is where you have to maintain 59:17 that Common Sense use common sense and balance and no point in the spiritual journey are you to give up your common 59:22 sense you’ll end up becoming a fool yeah yeah also I mean this is just a personal thought here not learned from a book 59:29 probably learned from experiences my thought is that if a spiritual truth 59:34 does not make sense to you and your subjective reality no one’s asking you to accept it yeah so if this is against 59:41 your thoughts don’t accept it and I am not even judgmental of people who say by the way just because I’m sure that a lot 59:48 of people will see that there may be traditional people who have uh celibacy they put into a very high pedestal and 59:54 not being judgmental and all that you do whatever you think is right for you but if you’re asking me this is how you should approach in this age initially 1:00:00 and the impulse celibacy comes naturally by the way yeah that I was just like literally a second 1:00:08 before you said that I was thinking about the same thought that your libido if you’re involved in a yogic life a 1:00:14 spiritual life a tantric life yes uh Your Lust settles down without any effort yes after a certain point of time 1:00:21 it will there are since we are on the topic there are two other factors by the way you have to remember here uh I think 1:00:29 yesterday we were discussing about pitrus ancestors were stuck in a pit through loka who are not able to move 1:00:34 forward very often in many cases uh an excessive amount of lust in an 1:00:40 individual whereas they may be practicing everything well uh is basically a projection of the impulses 1:00:45 of those pitrus and if it is the case and that can be analyzed through you 1:00:51 know various uh looking at the configuration of the planets at the time they’re born and various other ways of finding out that is the case then the 1:00:58 only way is to actually perform rituals in the right shetra in 1:01:04 the right place so that the ancestors get Reborn and then it causes when you define it in 1:01:12 whatever way you want but it then it has an effect that slowly that libido or that excessive amount of so normal lust 1:01:18 is one thing normal lust everybody has but it goes beyond everything all rationality etcetera then it also comes 1:01:23 down you know things calm down a bit that is one the other is with age also libido kind of can taper of 1:01:30 um for a person who is genuinely spiritual yes that is what is happening for somebody who is not in the spiritual 1:01:35 path it’s up to them I mean no judgment on what they are doing or not doing it’s completely their life their choice but 1:01:42 spiritually this um uh so pitrus are one of the things by the way that is there in quite a few 1:01:48 cases I’ve seen people who face sudden bursts of whether it’s excessive amount of lust or whether it’s excessive anger 1:01:53 or certain uh and they’d also manifest a certain blockages in life in various um stages etc those 1:02:04 okay and if that is there if there’s a normal amount of lust then uh to look at it as 1:02:11 a manageable thing the other problem that happens it tapers off of it on its own it will in time okay don’t don’t 1:02:18 make it as a big thing in your head that’s the other problem that happens with a lot of spiritual people I am not able to get out of lust so you feel 1:02:25 guilty about it that is far worse than actually you know indulging in a 1:02:31 physical relationship sex or masturbation or anything after that the guilt trip that happens to some people 1:02:36 that okay oh I I could not maintain celibacy that is not going to help you that is far worse 1:02:41 um um intense I don’t think the internet in 1:02:48 general has a piece like this anyway definitely not on a written blog right I’m glad that we could do this on a 1:02:53 podcast don’t have any more questions with regard to this particular episode 1:02:59 also while we’re shooting this in real time this is the fifth episode we’ve recorded so yeah right before this we 1:03:05 recorded a Hindi episode also fantastic and three epic English episodes yesterday and I still feel there’s 15 more 1:03:12 podcasts that we we have to cover so thank you yeah and just one point Sunday 1:03:18 job go for it because we were discussing about go for it it’s such a beautiful way in which certain concepts are 1:03:25 represented in our in the Hindu culture for example there is the famous story of Lord Shiva who destroys kamdeva okay 1:03:32 who’s the god of last and last and love so somebody tells him that you Shiva is 1:03:38 meditating okay Shiva is uh in deep meditation is not even aware of anything so somebody tells him Shiva must have a 1:03:44 son that son can destroy nasura Asura is one of those negative powerful negative entities only a son born out of Shiva 1:03:51 but he is in meditation and in meditation in the deepest meditation is not even aware of the world he’s not even aware of any physical existence 1:03:57 nothing where is last going to come so they bring this and they tell him that please do something so the story says 1:04:04 that he fires arrows okay and those arrows when they hit somebody uh that’s 1:04:11 when the last desire arises so he comes and he disturbs he does something there 1:04:16 is Shiva is in deepest meditation suddenly there is this slight Awakening of stunning of Desire inside him and he 1:04:22 opens his eyes and he’s Furious who is it that destroy disturbs his meditation so he opens his third eye Shiva Sada is 1:04:28 the thing okay and he looks at kamdeva and he’s born to ashes straight away okay burn to ashes now there’s a huge 1:04:37 problem if Karma if desire is gone to how will the world run world is finished without desire okay 1:04:43 then the goddess Parvati she comes in and she requests him that uh that no you 1:04:50 can’t do that do something because otherwise everything is finished whole world runs on desire everything this 1:04:56 there is nobody who doesn’t have desire desires are there not only by the way by desire we always think that it is last 1:05:02 but it could be your your body has a desire for food when you don’t eat for a long time your you have a physical pain your body 1:05:09 has a desire for going to a state where the pain is not there it’s ingrained in 1:05:14 you it’s in your cells not just your mind desire is what runs it’s the engine it’s the glue that is making this world 1:05:21 run continuously and there’s nothing wrong in it just like there’s nothing wrong in anything if it is correctly 1:05:26 understood and applied so then Shiva says okay I will revive him but without a physical body 1:05:34 so here comes Karma Deva he’s born reborn again and he has no physical body 1:05:39 and by the way this whole episode happens in kamakhya she is the goddess of all this and all these things now 1:05:45 this is such a beautiful idea so he here we have a calm there with a lot of Desire who has no physical form what it 1:05:52 means is that desire can come in any shape lust is born here from here it enters and then it spreads 1:05:59 everywhere so because he doesn’t have a physical form that means that he can manifest in any form anywhere 1:06:06 and he cannot be destroyed something that doesn’t have a physical form is also kind of omnipresent and 1:06:13 omnipotent so this beautiful idea comes to us through this kind of a story 1:06:20 how do you take care of the calm devathas everywhere then you follow a basic Common Sense 1:06:27 discipline and you don’t fight it too much it is on its own it will go and yes certain devathas since we are on the 1:06:34 topic uh certain date is for example Lord Shiva and getting a blessings from Shiva is not so easy by the way 1:06:41 he is he can’t take the mind to a state where uh Kama is not needed Beyond lust 1:06:48 but it is not something that is to be forced neither something that is you know artificially imposed on its own it 1:06:55 happens until the time it happens one follows a basic Common Sense basic uh standard discipline so you 1:07:03 follow a limited amount of uh you know Indulgence in last uh and then there are 1:07:08 phases you deny do not go too much into it neither you run away completely from it that balance is important balance 1:07:14 well Integrated Life along with the sadhana and the practices that you do eventually will lead the path for you 1:07:21 and automatically whatever has to be left from your system will go away fighting is not useful 1:07:30 thank you thank you so much great learning from you looking forward to meeting you in person again and you’re 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